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Post by MDC ZIMBABWE on Apr 5, 2005 9:49:54 GMT -5
We appreciate your assistance. We also appreciate statistical analysis which exposes election cheating, stuffing of ballot boxes and fraud.
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Post by UK Politician on Apr 5, 2005 16:50:29 GMT -5
I am an elected politician in the UK (and obviously need to remain anonymous when posting to the public message board of a political party in another country). However, you may be interested to know that we have had a not dissimilar vote rigging scandal over here, where the ruling Labour party falsified the results of local elections in six wards within the city of Birmingham. The results were overturned by a high court judge, and the ballots will now be rerun. Whilst the situation is not directly comparable (the frauds mainly related to postal voting, including non-existent persons on the electoral roll), you may find it interesting to share intelligence with local Conservative party agents, who played a major part in exposing the fraud. Visit www.tory.org then contact Conservative Central Office in London for the names of the local election agent if you wish to pursue this. May I wish you the very best of luck in your campaign against a repressive and unlawful regime.
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Time to do something
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Post by Time to do something on Apr 6, 2005 2:21:22 GMT -5
People of Zimbabwe... Time to stand up for your rights as Zimbabweans..
SATURDAY 9TH MAY, MASS DEMONSTRATION, START PRINCE EDWARD SCHOOL, 9AM
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Post by normanb on Apr 6, 2005 2:47:20 GMT -5
I strongly support the idea of mass action against the rigged march 31 alections but i belieive its time we thought of more effective action than carrying placards, becuase this has proved since 2000 that its not getting to this corrupt gvt's head.
freedom for the oppresed comes at a very high price,a price which we should start considering to pay.
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Post by Pro Mass Action on Apr 6, 2005 2:53:57 GMT -5
What exactly do you suggest then?
The only answer is mass action to show Zimbabwes government and to show the world that 'enough is enough'
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
Spread the above notices of mass demonstrations on Saturday so that the people will come in numbers. Alert the press and governments over the world..
"ITS TIME NOW, TIME FOR CHANGE"
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Post by Mass Action on Apr 6, 2005 2:57:21 GMT -5
If what happened in Zimbabwe happened in South Africa for example, I could guarantee you that the people would stand up, unite together and express their views to the government.
We have has enough over the past few years, a once beautiful country ruined by a few greedy, power hungry dictators..
If you won't fight for your country, then what will you fight for?
See you there
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Post by normanb on Apr 6, 2005 3:10:54 GMT -5
my brother if you watched the zanu pf president's press conference on april 1 when he was asked by one journalist wha he would do if there were peaceful protests after the flawd election results had been revealed then u will recall he clearly stated he was going to have armed police descent upon any demonstrators.now tell me how long shall we stand defenceless and let him kill our brothers and sisters for standing up for what is right? i suggest if he wants to silence the people using unpeaceful ways then we also should go out prepared to defend ourselves if the need arises,aftre all its common knowledge that even some of the police officers are fed up with this dictator.
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Post by Enough on Apr 6, 2005 3:26:30 GMT -5
My brother, I feel you, I hear you.. But lets not be negative, lets work together to put an end to this... You suggest arming civilians? Of course this would be a good solution, but far from reality, where would you get guns, and where would you get funding? Rather demonstrate, think of it from a politicians point of view, Mugabe would not slaughter 1000's of protester, this would cause mass caous, and foreign governments would intervine.
Lets rather work together, plan together and win our country back. If you won't fight for your country, your lives? Then what will you fight for?
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Post by normanb on Apr 6, 2005 3:42:24 GMT -5
fair enough it would be an extremely difficult thing to get funding and arms but it doesnt get any better with the ammendments which mugabe plans to ake on the constitution which may after all make it very legal for police to use live ammunition on any "protestors" and this is what i am saying we should guard against by ensuring that there's some level of protection on our people when we go out there.this lack of protection is what has turned our country into a fear society which is why mugabe feels he can rig elections at any given time and get away without a bruise. if USA could go into iraq before saddam openly killed a 1000 people i dont see why,if they are genuine,they can not come and assist zimbabweans before we even go on the streets.
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Post by JOB RUKANDA on Apr 6, 2005 3:57:22 GMT -5
As a matter of agency produce all known discrepancies and confront ZEC and a court application to review the ballots that were cast.
Conditions for postal votes by security forces should be scrutinised because thats were the rot came from.
Other army personnel are prepared to say it all on condition they remain confidential.
Life in the army is not sweet
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Post by normanb on Apr 6, 2005 4:09:18 GMT -5
i colunt agree with u more,indeed the postal votes are the root behind all this nonsense.i have heard from reliable sources that personel were asked to vote then show their seniors their ballots before puting them in the boxes and some people who returned from foreign missions had two balltos,one indicating they are out in foreign missions and another one as if they are in the country but out on duty during the polling period.
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Post by Raita on Apr 6, 2005 5:56:28 GMT -5
We need to be practical about our approach. One day demonstrations have never brought change anywehere in Africa. The apatheid regime in SA and Rhodisea faced demonstrations and strikes on a daily baisis, international isolation but the most effective pressure was the domestic pressure. We should learn from history, it seems the most probable way is not the easiest. Mounting electoral challenges should be supported by other means. At the moment MDC should think of establishing pressures outside parliament. We all know Mugabe wants to hand over power, but the reality is if there is unrest or tension he is unlikelly to go fearing for his life. Instead of him addressing the succession issue in Zanu pf, he should be brought to the negotiating table with MDC only for transitional arrangements. The unfortunate thing is even though he now control more than two thirds of the parliament he is unlikelly to give in to democratic pressures. The peace that prevailed during the election period was just to ensure legitimacy. If the MDC is to take part in any government of national unity that will be the betrayal of the people, just as Nkomo did. Instead of waiting for court judgements the MDC should take the initiative for change. Re draw the battle lines by defining future elections in terms of truelly democratic elections. The constitution must be changed and the electoral process must be imroved to prevent any further voter manipulation. We have had three successive elections riigged and the opposition is still calling on international pressure only to resolve the problem. To be honest our friends outside Zimbabwe are doing their best but we also need to do something in Zimbabwe. Freedom will not come in a silver plate , we need to go back to the pre 1999 period and intensify our efforts on stay aways and demonstrations or non violent direct confrontation, eventually this will weaken the government. Mugabe must never be allowed to sleep in peace when millions of Zimbabweans are scattered throught the world and half the population is without food. Our organisation in Zimbabwe and outside must be strengthened, Simon Khaya Moyo in SA must face the music and so should all the other embasies. I believe this is no longer a time for talking but real action, there is no need to tell the enemy of our next move, they will get to know it in due course. Any olive brach extended by Mugabe must be rejected , he stole the election from us and we are not going to negotiate with him until he announces a re run under a new constition. Any delays will worsen the situation for the ordinary person in Zimbabwe. To be frank this time we won the election with a wide margin. Even before the discrepencies between total votes announced t was very cclear to anyone who bothered to check that Zanu PF Stuffed extra votes in most constituencies that were under threat. Mugabe being clever might even want to invite MDC for a government of national unity. Let us not be fooled , this will be done for acceptance to the international unity and it will be to weaken the oppossition because once you take part in that it is impossible to exert pressure. The natural thing for Mugabe afterwards will be to fire the few who will be co opted into his government after a few years on charges of insubordination or working with external agents hostile to Zimababwe as he has always alleged
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Post by JOB RUKANDA on Apr 6, 2005 6:36:07 GMT -5
I totally agree with you Normanb but my rallying point is security forces must be free citzens they have to devulge what happened becuase I have one soldier who was in Bindura indicated that they asked to vote in the presence of their boss and thenasked to go off duty and come and vote again on the election day.
Thats one incident and this confirms that scam of which police Officers at Fairbridge refused to vote in front of their superiors
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Post by JOB RUKANDA on Apr 6, 2005 6:41:06 GMT -5
Solution to all this is an armed struggle what forces of change should do now is to advise all nations holding asylum seekers in prison to instead train them as soldiers.
Iam in UK the MOD is able to train anyone from the commonwealth. Zimbabweans abroad note this its important life is in our hands.
We should not be led into Mass Starvation by an 81 year old.
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Post by tsatse on Apr 6, 2005 9:10:39 GMT -5
This is more than enough evidence what else do you need guys we are tired off talking, it is action now or never. MDC shake up!!!!!!!!!!!! Discrepancies:
Manyame: ZEC announced the total votes cast as being 14 812. The MDC candidate polled 8 312 votes, meaning she had an unassailable lead. However, when results were finally announced the winning Zanu PF candidate was reported to have received 15 448 votes, with 543 ballots spoilt. The total vote count for the constituency becomes 24 303, with the discrepancy being 9 491 votes.
Goromonzi: ZEC announced the total votes cast as being 15 611. The MDC candidate, with 8 578 votes, polled more than half of the votes cast. However, when results were finally issued the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner with 16 782 votes, 1 171 votes more than the total number of votes cast. The total votes cast for the 2 candidates, including spoilt ballots, becomes 26 123. The discrepancy is 10 512 votes.
Kariba: ZEC announced the total votes cast as being 16 676. The MDC candidate, with 9 540 votes, polled more than half of the votes cast. However, when results were finally issued the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner with 13 1719 votes. The total votes cast for the 2 candidates, including spoilt ballots, becomes 24 142. The discrepancy is 7 466 votes.
Seke Rural: ZEC's total votes cast in Seke are given as 11 344. The MDC candidate, with 8 843 votes, polled more than half of the votes cast. But, when results were finally issued the Zanu PF candidate was announced winner with 15 434 votes, which is 4 090 more votes than the total votes cast. The total votes for all the candidates, including spoilt ballots, mysteriously becomes 24 873. The discrepancy is 13 529.
Mutare South: The ZEC figures for the total votes cast is 14 054. The MDC candidate received 12 163 votes. The final result released shows total votes as being 28 575, with 16 412 of these being for the winning Zanu PF. This registers a discrepancy of 14 521.
Buhera South: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 25 447. The MDC candidate received 13 893 votes, more than half of the total votes cast. When results were finally issued, the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner, with 15 066 votes. This gives a total of 28 959 ballots cast for the constituency, leaving a discrepancy of 3 512.
Marondera East: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 25 193. When results were finally issued, the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner, with 19 192 votes against 10 066 for his MDC counterpart. The total vote count for the constituency is 29 935, leaving a discrepancy of 4 742.
Buhera North: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 16 795. When results were finally issued, the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner, with 17 677 votes against 4 137 for his MDC counterpart. The total vote count for the constituency is 22 688, leaving a discrepancy of 5 893.
Murehwa South: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 8 579. The MDC candidate received 4 586, more than half of the total votes cast. However, when results were finally issued the winning Zanu PF candidate was announced to have received 19 200 votes, more than double the number of votes cast. This gives a total of 24 463. There is a discrepancy of 15 207.
Mutasa South: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 15 733. The MDC candidate received 9 380, more than half of the total votes cast. However, when results were finally announced the Zanu PF candidate was reported have received 9 715votes. The total vote count, including spoilt ballots, amounts to 19 573, leaving 3 840 votes unaccounted for.
Mutasa North: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 10 986. The MDC candidate polled 6 605 votes, again more than half of the total votes cast. But, when results were finally announced the Zanu PF candidate was reported have received 10 135 votes. The total vote count, including spoilt ballots, amounts to 17 204, leaving 6 218 votes unaccounted for.
Nyanga: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 13 896. The MDC candidate polled 9 360 votes. When results were officially announced, the Zanu PF candidate was reported have received 12 612 votes. The total vote count, including spoilt ballots, amounts to 22 739, leaving 8 843 votes unaccounted for.
Chimanimani: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 23 896. The MDC candidate received 11 031 votes, while 794 votes were spoilt. When results were officially announced, the Zanu PF candidate was reported to have received 15 817 votes. The total vote count, including spoilt ballots, amounts to 27 642, leaving 3 746 votes unaccounted for.
Makoni North: The total votes cast for the constituency, according to ZEC was 14 068. However, when results were officially announced the winning Zanu PF candidate received 18 910, with the MDC's candidate polling 6 077 votes, giving total votes for the two candidates as 24 987. There is a discrepancy of 10 919 votes.
Chipinge North: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 23 896. When results were finally issued, the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner, with 16 047 votes against 10 920 for his MDC counterpart. The total vote count for the constituency is 27 576, leaving a discrepancy of 3 625.
Chipinge South: The total ZEC figure for votes cast is 29 479. When results were finally issued, the Zanu PF candidate was announced the winner, with 16 412 votes against 12 163 for his MDC counterpart and 2 129 for Zanu Ndonga. The total vote count for the constituency is 30 704, leaving a discrepancy of 1 225.
Makoni East: ZEC announced that 20 454 people voted. When results were finally announced, the total votes for the 2 candidates, including spoilt ballots, amounts to 17 341, leaving a negative balance of 3 113 votes unaccounted for.
Beitbridge: ZEC announced that 36 821 had voted but the totals for the candidates only add up to 20 602, leaving a negative balance of 16 219 votes unaccounted for.
Hwedza: ZEC announced that 23 698 people voted. The total votes cast for all candidates, including spoilt ballots, amount to 26 736, leaving 3 038 votes unaccounted for.
Mutare West: ZEC announced that 18 584 people voted. The total votes counted for the candidates, including spoilt ballots, amount to 20 950, leaving 2 366 votes unaccounted for.
Chegutu: ZEC announced that 19 763 people voted. The total votes counted for the candidates, including spoilt ballots, amount to 25 374, leaving 5 611 votes unaccounted for.
Chikomba: ZEC announced that 18 401 people voted. The total vote count, including spoilt ballots, amount to 26 050, leaving 7 649 votes unaccounted for.
Hurungwe East: ZEC announced that 22 533 people voted. The total votes counted for the two candidates is 26 552, leaving 4019 votes unaccounted for.
Mudzi East: ZEC announced that 12 499 people voted. The total votes counted for the candidates is 22 420, leaving 9 921 votes unaccounted for.
Mudzi West: ZEC announced that 10 998 people voted. The total votes counted for the candidates is 22 796, leaving 11 798 votes unaccounted for.
Murehwa North: ZEC announced that 17 606 people voted. However, when results were finally issued the winning Zanu PF candidate was announced to have received 17 677, while his MDC counterpart received 4 137. The total votes counted for the candidates is 22 353, leaving 4 747 votes unaccounted for.
Mutoko North: ZEC announced that 10 721 people voted. But, when results were finally issued the winning Zanu PF candidate was announced to have received 16 257. The total votes counted for the candidates is 20 652, leaving 9 931 votes unaccounted for.
Mutoko South: ZEC announced that 15 863 people voted. But, when results were finally issued the winning Zanu PF candidate was announced to have received 19 390. The total votes counted for the candidates is 23 481 leaving 7 618 votes unaccounted for.
Insiza: ZEC announced that 20 220 people voted. When results were officially announced, the winning Zanu PF candidate was announced to have received 13 109, while his MDC counterpart received 8,840 votes. The total votes announced for the constituency is 22 099, leaving 1 879 votes unaccounted for.
Gwanda: ZEC announced that 23 288 people voted. When results were officially announced, the winning Zanu PF candidate was announced to have received 13 109, while his MDC counterpart received 10 961 votes. The total votes announced for the constituency is 24 594, leaving 1 300 votes unaccounted for.
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