Munjanja
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Post by Munjanja on Feb 11, 2005 6:32:30 GMT -5
Justme, you actually came up with something. "Anything is beter than nothing" I like that, even blocking the Zim-SA border we tried it before with JJ Sibanda during my days at the Concerned Zimbabweans Abroad. It worked even though JJ was ambushed by the C10s before he got to the toyi toyi, it was a success. The problem nowadays things happening in SA are only to be head after they had happened. We dont have an info line for all the Provinces.
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Post by dfg on Feb 23, 2005 4:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by dfg on Feb 23, 2005 5:25:12 GMT -5
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Post by dfg on Feb 23, 2005 5:28:15 GMT -5
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Post by dfg on Feb 23, 2005 5:36:23 GMT -5
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Post by dfg on Feb 23, 2005 5:42:15 GMT -5
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Munjanja
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Post by Munjanja on Feb 28, 2005 7:56:22 GMT -5
These Satanic verses are an insult to us. This forum is for rasing facts not printing matakanana
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Post by kashiri on Apr 24, 2005 5:41:55 GMT -5
People drive out president
After four months of mounting political pressure and constitutional crisis, the people of Ecuador have driven President Lucio Gutierrez from office. In the face of unstoppable mass protest, and growing calls for the dissolution of Congress and establishment of popular assemblies, Ecuador’s right-wing Congress abandoned Gutierrez.
As his popularity plummeted, Gutierrez began to act increasingly autocratically. The current crisis was sparked by his sacking of the Supreme Court in December, using a slim Congress majority. The new court that Gutierrez appointed then cleared former president of corruption charges. A country fed up
On April 13, a general strike called by Quito mayor to condemn the Supreme Court sacking, and called for Gutierrez’s resignation. Although poorly attended, the protests were violently dispersed early in the day by police.
As the news of the police repression spread, an independent Quito radio station, La Luna, invited listeners to speak their mind on air. A spontaneous outpouring of mostly young, middle-class Ecuadorians hit the airwaves, frustrated by decades of political corruption and nepotism. Callers condemned not only Gutierrez but the political system as whole, and called on the people of Quito to protest.
By that evening, 5000 people gathered together, banging pots and pans. This was followed nightly by ever larger demonstrations, calling for Gutierrez’s resignation and the dissolution of the whole Congress.
Radio stations became rallying points as young people, families and pensioners used them to incite their neighbours to join the protests.
Gutierrez dissolved the new Supreme Court and declared a state of emergency, suspending civil rights and mobilising the armed forces. The following day, as protests swelled, and spread to the city of Cuenca, students from Cuenca University commandeered buses to blockade roads and highways and threw rocks and Molotov thingytails at police and tanks.
Sections of the Confederation of Indigenous Nations of Ecuador (CONAIE) organised road blockades in other areas in Ecuador, and its national president Luis Macas called for a national mobilisation, blockading the roads in many areas, and bringing out demonstrators in several small cities.
In Quito, the situation was deteriorating rapidly. Police tear-gassed protesters, badly injuring dozens. On April 19, Chilean-born journalist Julio Garcia died from asphyxiation after being tear-gassed.
That night, the protests escalated. Up to 30,000 people engaged in street battles with the police until 3am. Thousands of riot police, with armoured vehicles, dogs, horses and tear-gas were used to disperse the demonstrators, some of whom managed to break through the encirclement of troops and razor-wire that surrounded the presidential palace. More than 100 people were wounded, and dozens arrested.
The next afternoon, led by 30,000 high school and university students, 100,000 Ecuadorians descended on the presidential palace chanting “Lucio out” and “They all must go!”. Police attacked the protesters as Gutierrez moved to fortify the building with razor-wire and a brigade of Special Forces. In other parts of the city, Gutierrez supporters clashed with the protesters.
Several thousand paid government supporters were brought to Quito, where they occupied the social welfare ministry, shooting at the crowds and killing two students. In respnse, the building was ransacked and set ablaze by the angry crowd.
As protesters prevented them from entering the Congress building, 62 opposition legislators from the 100-strong Congress held an emergency session, the meeting voted 60-0 to fire Gutierrez for “abandoning his post”. Gutierrez refused to accept the decision, arguing that a two-thirds majority of Congress members had to vote for it for it to be valid. He refused to resign, even as the army deserted him, and the Quito chief of police resigned rather than be responsible for the police repression.
Finally, surrounded by tens of thousands of angry protesters, the disgraced leader fled from the roof of the palace in a military helicopter, and headed to the international airport. However, his plane was unable to leave, because 3000 protesters charged out onto the tarmac.
Forced back into his helicopter, Gutierrez headed to the Brazilian embassy. By now, an arrest warrant had been issued against him for “major offences”, and Brazil had offered asylum.
Meanwhile, Palacio went to address the hundreds picketing the CIESPAL building. Calling for the nation to be “refounded” with a referendum to create a new constitution, he refused to call new elections before those scheduled for the end of 2006.
The crowd responded by drowning him out with chants of, “Popular assemblies!”, “Thieves! Dissolve the congress!”, and “They all must go!”.
The protesters prevented Palacio from leaving, demanding the resignation of the congress and the new president, yelling that they would not be fooled. They stormed the building, chasing the legislators out the side entrances, injuring several, and occupied the building. They then convened a”popular assembly” to debate solutions to Ecuador’s legal and political crisis. Resolving to create similar assemblies across the country in the lead-up to a national assembly.
The response by Latin American governments to the events was initially cautious — not surprising given the number of them that are afraid of being overthrown.
Meanwhile, smaller scale protests continue. On April 22, thousands marched peacefully to demand “dignity and sovereignty”, in a reference to fears that there would be attempts to reinstate Gutierrez from outside Ecuador. The Brazilian embassy has had small numbers of protesters outside it demanding Gutierrez’s arrest.
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mbira
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Post by mbira on Apr 25, 2005 22:31:29 GMT -5
You seem to be here just to guma guma. You obviously dont believe in the MDC. Why not put this stuff in the Herald, they will love it. On a more serious note, MDC is currently challenged more than ever. Jonathan Moyo pipped the MDC candidate simply because he appeared more courageous than most Zimbabweans. One should ask how those people forgot what Jonathan did. Obviously courage against ZanuPF is more important than doctrate degrees that some are hanging on. If anyone can challenge Mugabe, he/she is the main man. Could not the Tsholotsho revelation repeat itself. Jonathan may actually steal the show. There is need for courageous men/women. You cant fight Mugabe and still want to live at the same time. Surviving is a bonus in fighting Mugabe. Remember he is Malawian and wont give a d**n on how many of us he kills, and he has zvimbwasungata willing to be used. I wonder what Biti is doing. He should be organising the diasphora for the inevitable war. The diasphora can fund the war. We have courageuous people who only need a gun and some bullets. If the insurgents in Irag can stand up to Bush, who is Mugabe. Lets buy guns and call 4th Chimurenga. Tichatoga MDC USA is full of perennial failures and guma guma's. They are all in there to make money by robbing people about Asylum issues. For example the Atlanta Chairman and some in his committee charge $500 to cook up an asylum story. They use MDC letterheads and MDC `leadership names to back fabricated stories. MDC does not get even get a penny of this money. Poor Matongo was given a paltry donation of about $100. The big chefs in NAD (in DC) make more money. They charge $800 for an asylum package and I know that like the DC one, they have done 40 applications and the MDC did not get anything. Musanyeperwe nemablood suckers ekuMDC. The majority of them are just disowned individuals. Very idiomatic group. As for ZUWA, the problem is that the shona's do not want to participate and as a result nothing will change. JT is a good leader and very respectable. Just call him and give him your views and he will change that. But do not call the MDC chairman coz anokutuka pafon nezvinonyadzisira like a true mahobho. Investigate Now.
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Post by stillmdcbut... on Apr 26, 2005 7:38:37 GMT -5
Jonathan Moyo pipped the MDC candidate simply because he appeared more courageous than most Zimbabweans. One should ask how those people forgot what Jonathan did. If anyone can challenge Mugabe, he/she is the main man. Could not the Tsholotsho revelation repeat itself. Jonathan may actually steal the show. I think it is fair to say that on this issue, most MDC members feel the same way. Our leadership is simply too reserved, too polite, maybe scared as well, and gives the impression that they are not willing to sacrifice anything personally. The Arch Bishop P. Ncube has stated categorically that HE would LEAD a peaceful revolution. Mr L. Madhuku has reiterated that peolple need to fill the streets, and demonstate peacefully. And to this end has led, on numerous occasions, by example. WHAT HAS THE MDC LEADERSHIP DONE?? NOTHING!!!!!!!!! YOU CANNOT HALF-HEARTEDLY ORGANISE AN UPRISING AND THEN WATCH OR DIRECT IT FROM THE COMFORT OF YOUR HOME AND EXPECT a) it to succeed, b) to gain respect from your supporters.
The elections have failed as we all knew they would. They always will. So will the electoral courts.We await Plan B. and do not be fooled that the RGM will be cowed after just ONE WEEK of mass action!!I still maintain that war is not a good idea. That's exactly what Mugabe would want. He just bought six fighter jets from the Chinese. For what? He cannot use them if people revolt unarmed. Unless if we can infiltrate the army. We know most of them are as unhappy as all of us.
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Post by strategist on May 1, 2005 17:22:21 GMT -5
a well coordinated coercive mobilisation is what mdc needs. zanu pf resources need to be stretched especially in rural areas. how? target their personnel eg masabhuku by beating them, killing their cattle ets, burn thier fields zanu informants targeted as well, including their local political leaders, their local offices, vehicles to retard their organisational capacity.
sabotage telecommunications and transport networks to create chaos and tension.
distribute flyers lying about food handouts at a place,only for people to go there and get nothing.
call for zanu meetings , noone turns to address
militia bases should be targeted, dont worry about casulties.
an open confrontation with zim armed forces can never be won.so what is needed is well drilled , small groups of people per province,stealthly working on targets.well funded and equiped.
ever wondered why mdc was feared and was successful in 1999 and 2000?because it matched zanu pf on its territory of violence.violence affect all.
think about it
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Post by Comrade Gwara on Jun 10, 2005 9:04:41 GMT -5
what action Zimbabwe needs is the actions Washington took on Baghdad and that is the only solution to be honest, I can give the Americans Advice, all they have to do is use the Waters of the Mozambican Coastline to launch there offensive on Harare, I dont think they will need the Stealth Bombers at all Zimbabwe is quite small, but the B52 Bombers will be handy when blowing up Graceland just incase he has bunkers in there Mugabe is 81 and zimbabwe has no fuel at the moment to last 3 days so that shouldnt be much of a problem its ladlocked no desert so when you come to think of it it will more likely to be a trainig event for you America.
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Post by asi chi nhai on Jun 10, 2005 13:37:39 GMT -5
Very interesting discussion going on in her. Courage, edmore and Vukani I have gone through the same thoughts you have gone through and have come to the same conclusions.
Just to add to what Vukani just said...Zanu PF doesn't have to believe what they say. We now its just hoodwinking the world and saying the right thing so that it can carry on doing what it wants. Zanu understands that so long as they "SAY" they are doing good, or working towards a better economy no action will be taken on them. How long have we been 'Waiting" to see zvichaitika? The whole world and worse off we zimbabweans play the waiting game, and think the time we come. The was say opportunity is always there and that there is never what you call "the right time". The only right time is now.
Courage mentioned something very interesting also, we are not simply changing parties but attitude and mentality. The current MDC admin has been in power for 5years and though we appritiate there great scarifice and tansity in the wake of opperation, they should realize that in leadership the people come first before yourself. Your scarifice has been the greatest Zimbabwe has seen since the liberation struggle but what makes a great leader is the results and not the aggresiveness. You PROMISED change and the only change has been from Zanu PF and that has been for the worst.
MDC blames Mugabe for not stepping down in the face of failure, but I challenge you to step up to the plate and admit failure. You have failed the people in 3 elections so far, because you know you are dealing with crooks why didn't you have an alternative action set. Your undecisive nature countinues to discourage people from believeing in you and that is not what the people want. It time for someone else to step in and give us an alternative. Do not be hypocritical of Mugabes resignation when you yourselfs won't do just that.
Obviously our party is young, but that is no excuss. Just as Zanu holds on because they believe they are experienced you should change admin because you have not delievered. Chinoita kuti tizoti Morgan would retire chii kana iye asingadi kubva right now after failing. You thing you can fix it??? So does Mugabe? -- unfortunately Zimbabwe is not a testing ground for your leadership, with soo much at stake, its unfare for both Zanu or MDC leadership to hold on to power because they have been personally involved. This is work, and like work if you don't perform you get fired. The people of zimbabwe hired you and should begin to ask for your resignation, so that we try some other candidate with new fresh ideas. Actually let me put is bluntly, and clearly - Morgan Tsvangirai and the rest of the admin should resign or quit (which ever sounds better) and let fresh new candidates with the same vigour and enegry as the NDC used to have. Maintain your pay checks if you have too (tagaro birwa mari nevanhu veku Zim anyway) asi chi chinjai maitiro , nekuti zvamuri kuita hazvisevenzi. Show us there is hope after Zanu and be a guiding example to isu the future leaders.
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Post by nikita on Jun 17, 2005 2:26:57 GMT -5
AN ESTIMATE OF 800 000 HOMELESS PEOPLE IN ZIMBABWE DUE TO MUGABES CRAZY ACTIONS
can we really stand by and watch the people of zimbabwe,the workers,the families,the true front,become homeless and worthless due to a warped rule mugabe layered down?the answer is NO.with a certian half a million homeless,can we really expect zimbabwe to pick itself up if ever we catch a break?zimbabwe needs to accept the aid that is being offered,and to appeal-quickly-to other powers for help and not through mugabe.the world can gladly sit by and not help if it thinks help is not appreciated or needed.i personally cannot stand to watch my country sink lower and lower into poverty.those red cross adverts with the big bellied children that we see on tv everyday will be images of zimbabwe very soon,if they arent already.how can we sit by and let zimbabwe fall under the pressure of a dictatorship?once strong and beautiful,the heart of africa-now a rotting apple in a barrel with a giant worm eating it from the inside out.how can mugabe claim by bulldozing thousands of homes that he is cleaning up zimbabwe?instead he is turning the country into a place that looks like the after math of the Tsunami.when i watch the news and see a now homeless mother grasping her baby and crying out to god "what did i do to deserve this?" i only asnwer to the tv screen "nothing,the country you depend on has let you down".well we cannot let our country let anymore people down,we must raise awareness globally becuase with mugabes warped mind,who knows what he has planned next.this is morally,ethically-all the types of WRONG.nobody should be allowed to destroy lives this way.i know,the question is ,what can we do? to be honest, i dont even know.this is why i am putting forward to you all the dire situation in zimbabwe,so that our next action,WILL make a difference.we cannot let him get away with it,and when he is gone,we cannot let it continue. more and more the british eye is watching zimbabwe,although they make no attmept to help.we must shame these powerful leaders into helping,not just with aid but with political influence.something has to be done.NOW.
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Post by Les on Jun 17, 2005 5:01:43 GMT -5
Regarding the way forward, I think the Party has made a very clear statement to the world and ZANU-PF - that ZANU does not have a monopoly over support in Zimbabwe. I doubt very much whether our presence in Parliament is going to do much good - some reckon the presence of the MDC has mellowed ZANU-PF. What could be worse than POSA, AIPPA, NGO Bill etc, all which happened with MDC in Parliament. The way to go now is for MDC to boycott Parliament completely. They have made their point and the MPs will be going beyond their usefulness if they attend Parliament, even in protest since ultimately, their vote will not count for anything. ZANU will probably hold other elections, which MDC will boycott and ZANU will "win" but the point has been made and it's time to get off now.
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