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Post by JOB RUKANDA on Oct 18, 2004 8:17:59 GMT -5
I WOULD LIKE TO TELL ALL ZIMBABWEANS THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO CELEBRATE THE VERDICT THAT GARWE GAVE IF AT ALL HE WAS AN UPRIGHT JUDGE HE SHOULD HAVE NOTED THAT THE CASE WAS FARCE FROM DAY ONE . THERE WAS NO BASIS AT ALL TO TRY HIM
I ONCE SAID IF TSVANGIRAYI WANTED TO KILL MUGABE HE SHOULD HAVE ORGANISED WITH A MAFIA ORGANISATION NOT A LOBBY GROUP.
WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Cpt SK Nyahoda on Oct 20, 2004 11:58:09 GMT -5
I think the MDC must make clear its strategies. People feel its losing support, but I personally think it's because the party has chosen to use peacefull means to deal with the matter,which I greatly agree with. This makes the people think that it is quiet these days and is being too soft but a negotiating table is always there waiting even if war is waged and at the end will be the only solution. It's for the benefit of the people of Zimbabwe as war will only bring more trouble and sorrow. Through history, true politicians should notice the impact of chosing armed struggle, even lessons from neighbouring countries, and with negotiations being the final solution. Tsvangirai is in a position whereby every door to victory is closed for him, with Mugabe in control of all state authority and even such allegence from his generals who even preach of change being not accepted. Tsvangirai has to take steps that will see the country being regained without bloodshed because anyway he is in a position of calling for an uprising and the Zimbabwean masses will indeed rise and surcrifise themselves to the regimes military might. There're people ready to fight now if only Tsvangirai gives way. I respect and very much sympathise with the gentleman who has brought back voice to the people-now we can publicly condemn Mugabe. He stood alone at a time people really knew something had to be done but as always powerless and fearing for their lives. Who could stand against Mugabe and condemn him in public? Now the country is undergoing reform due to his actions and the attention of the international community has been received. Aluta continua! ps. if anyone knows how I can get party membership through an e-mail link plz send me at shkeny20032003@yahoo.co.uk, as the other link on this site is having problems processing my application.
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Post by Munjanja on Oct 23, 2004 4:24:42 GMT -5
Cpt Nyahoda it is rare to hear such truth nowadays. Our people made no mistake to choose Morgan as their leader and such facts are ignored only by the spin doctors of Mugabe because they hate the truth that all Zimbabweans are three times cleverer than their boss. It wasnt difficult to see that Mugabe was a maniac when he came to power. Pamberi nechokwadi vedare rino!!!!!!!!!
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Post by scaredem fayablazer on Oct 26, 2004 7:26:31 GMT -5
I still think your criticism of Mugabe is not fair.You talk so vividly of nasty things 'he has done', and we should agree, of course, in principle, for example, that murder and intimidation are bad political practices. But people are not here in the world to serve concepts, concepts and rules and laws are made for people, and they operate only in certain realms, and a deviant use of apparently pro-group norms should be as equally punishable as anti-norm deviance.Following this norm, I am suggesting that the opposition in zimbabwe had all the cosmetic appearances of a good opposition with an enviable base in democracy , vibrancy, promises etc but with a stinking pro-west backing and policy.All the so called 'democratic' space was being used by the white farmers and their sympathisers , and the mother country Britain , to impose a leadership that would serve their interests in return for huge financial benefits.I remember when I was at the University of Zimbabwe, and there were these overly corrupted chaps who were members of the National Constitutional Assembly, and were simply benefiting from the huge donor funds that the NCA were getting from pro-MDC and anti-Zanu PF Britons.And it always stood as a contradiction to me how some former members of the corrupt Student Representative Council at the University of Zimbabwe could be transformed overnight into the icons of 'democracy'.The MDC was meant to protect the interests and privilege of the former Rhodies who were simply at pains to maintain the status quo.It was meant to reverse the land reform programme, and many former white farmers held on to their title deeds while pouring ca$h into the MDC coffers.Should Bob and co. simply have folded their arms across their chests cuz they were supposedly faced with the most potent force in the name of the democratic MDC?The old man is /was not that naive!!Zimbabwe is nowhere near being a replica of America/Britain in terms of the knowledge base of the ordinary populace with regards to world affairs, (even among its intellectuals whose education only serves them to desire to acquire Western values and shed that 'inferior' black image)...so it was very easy for the likes of the sweet-tounged press such as the Daily news to sway the majority of the people into believing that Mugabe was the epicentre and fermentation tank of all the problems that were befalling zimbabwe...you should know how the zimbabwean economy was sabotaged during the last few years by people who wanted Mugabe out of way...how artificial shortages of goods and even ca$h were generated.I was surprised upon arriving in zimbabwe.the streets of Harare, that had become littered with so much litter were sudenly clean, all the basic commodities like mealie meal , sugar and cooking oil were back on the shelves, and even ATMs had loads of ca$sh.Thats why i said last time that zimbabwe has survived a scare...and you lay all the blame indiscriminately on Bob, explain to me, in a non-rhetorical fashion, and in clear cause -and- effect terms, how Bob has destroyed the economy of Zimbabwe, I was in Zimbabwe recently, I did not see a destroyed economy...I saw an economy that gives opportunities to all Zimbabweans to prosper, an economy that has become more indigenous...a cursory look at the banking sector , in which Century, Kingdom, Trust, First Mutual, among an array of banks are owned by black zimbabweans is a manifestation of how Mugabe has managed to empower his people...the city centre of Harare is now a hive of activity in which phone shops, cd and cvd writing, enternet cafes are being run quite successfully by budding black enterpreneurs...many many soft drink producers , with patents, and making a better living than they were as employees of Schweppes, which was more formal, and represented what we would call prospering industry in western terms (who was benefitting then?And, many many whites still have a stake in the Zimbabwean economy.They still own the majority of all the big mines and companies, and as long as they mind their own business, are quite safe in the leafy northern surbubs of Zimbabwe, pushing themslves out of the CBD further into Borrowdale, Arundel, building themselves nice offices away from the madding black crowds.....so much for our idea of Oneness
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Post by Mapundu on Oct 26, 2004 8:46:56 GMT -5
The main problem is that we got people not living in Zim ,who are always keen to discredit MDC at every turn...the fact is ...since 2000 elections Zanu has been busy implementing all sorts of impediments ...POSA,AIPPA....and now the NGO bill...MDC cannot prevent this since it does not have a majority in the Parliament,therefore what do u expect the MDC to have done!
I honestly salute the MDC fo standing steadfast in the face of all these challenges.Its pointless to talk about local authorities when Chombo has been doing whatever he wants,suspending hardworking Mayors an now he is gonna crack the whip on our Byo Mayor!
If you want evidence of what MDC can do without intereference then you have to look at the finnacial books of Gweru City Council..where MDC dominated council managed to clear a billion dollar overdraft wihout having to raise rates....thats pure efficiency coz the deficit had been inherited from the mismanaging ZANU PF council!
I would like to urge the MDC on and say keep on persevering!
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Post by EK on Oct 26, 2004 9:15:35 GMT -5
I would like to invite you to a rich and satisfying discussion on the political face of Zimbabwe. You can meet me at www.zimdaily.com and check out on Kwaramba's column. Meet you there, and if you feel you would like a responce from me, feel free to do so by writing a letter or email me on eddie.kwaramba@zimdaily.com
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Post by EK on Oct 26, 2004 9:16:39 GMT -5
I would like to invite you all to a rich and satisfying discussion on the political face of Zimbabwe. You can meet me at www.zimdaily.com and check out on Kwaramba's column. Meet you there, and if you feel you would like a responce from me, feel free to do so by writing a letter or email me on eddie.kwaramba@zimdaily.com
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Post by Vukani on Oct 27, 2004 4:56:58 GMT -5
Captain u r preaching us nonsense the MDC supports Land Reform as far as I am concerned the only thing that the party is against is the way that it was done. Why is it that the very same squatters who violently took land with the help of zanu pf are now being thrown off the farms violently. I any case the very reason why there is a food shortage is because of this disastrous land reform. This whole business about the MDC being a front of white farmers is bullnuts to say the least. I am not a white commercial and neither is the majority of MDC supporters. As far as I am concerned MDC represents the forces of democracy in Zim.
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Post by Munjanja on Oct 28, 2004 5:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by Munjanja on Oct 28, 2004 6:19:29 GMT -5
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Post by Bwana Wmia on Oct 29, 2004 8:54:47 GMT -5
I hope that the MDC, by talking to Mbeki, are not going to betray the Zimbabwean people. I mean, we do not want a negotiated power sharing settlement with Zanu pf or Mugabe. We want an environment in place before next elections that will allow for free and democratic voting and it is this vote that will decide who will lead our country. Any power sharing or political concession negotiated that will give Mugabe and zanu any power will be a betrayal of the people. If Mugabe and zanu want a say in the future of our country then they must win their support through free and transparent elections that are observed as such by the AU, SADC, Common wealth and the UN.
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Post by Munjanja on Nov 1, 2004 8:52:57 GMT -5
Bwana, we need a free and fair elections in Zim. MDC is not going to negotiate any power sharing with zanupf. Remember that Mr Tsvangirai and the MDC leadership are loyal servants of the people of Zimbabwe they cannot patch up such a deal without consulting conserned Zimbabweans like you and me. Anyway zanupf is in no position to discuss or reform, look at how they treated Mdara Roy. I think MDC must also learn to look after her own. Too many have been killed or arrested and so many are begging and destitute across the Zim borders. I think such issues need to be addressed in order to restore the people's faith in the party. People want to participate if they feel protected and their relatives back home cannot vote if they feel that their brother or cousin have been abantoned by the party he secreficed his life for.
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Post by Fungai on Nov 4, 2004 9:07:24 GMT -5
Its easy to criticise from a chair that is why I am going to do so. I am not a politician neither am I a brave men. Taht is why I stir clear of politics. However, I haves seen how ZANU PF and MDC have destroyed Zimbabwe. ZANU PF (My party) has destroyed the country by trying to improve the life of "mwana wevhu" using radical means and the MDC by allowing itself to be a vehicle for misdirected hate at one man who had the power to fully destroy the country. Wether MDC is a stooge or not is irrelevant. We have all destroyed our country lets not point fingers. For me the MDC WAS a challenge to Zanu PF, usually translated to Mugabe by small minds. 8-)Nowadays its an old dog with no tangible tricks because all its tools were taken away. ;D The first reality is that Zanu PF have already planned for the elections in 2005. There have removed all negative talk of Mugabe in the media local because its already there in the houses and in the streets. You hav eto be blind not to see it. Thats 1 - 0 in favour of Zanu PF. :DTwo, they have removed the MDC from the face of Zimbabweans. Chances are someone who bought a TV last year wonders what is this animal called MDC thats a pet for Blair. There goes your swing votes in teh process. Is anybodsy in the MDC doing anything about swing votes, ZANU PF intended manipulation of the voters roll,ZANU PF intended manipulation of the voting process or why Morgan is not on death row if he is such a threat. The fact is that Morgan is free because ZANU PF knows it will win the elections. 2 - 0 for Zanu PF. ;D Three, all the civil and parastatal chefs have been given farms as a pension. This means the MDC will struggle to get simple things done whevere they thought they had power. 3 - 0 in favour of.....! 8-)ZANU PF has directed "Black hate" from Mugabe to the Professor and the MDC fell for it hook line and sinker. I have stopped counting the scores. Vakomana murikudyiwa imi. I predict that in 2005 the urban voters for the first time in Zimbabwe will witness what is called true election violence. Who will report to the international community that 200 people have been brutally assualted at Avondale shopping centre. All ZANU PF wants is for MDC suppporters to run from their constituencies. ;)What has the MDC done to prevent this from happening. Nothing until it is happening. Only a blind fool can fail to see this. I can give you a hundred reasons why even if the elections in 2005 are fair and violent free Mugabe will win by a slim margin. We do not tak ethis chance because we do not want to see a coup in our history so we stick to dirty tactics during the elections. It cannot be written in history books negatively for long. But the outstanding one is that the MDC is not taking the election seriously. Do you think it was by mistake or by throwing bones that Bush and Kerry campaigned so heavily in Florida and Ohio? Mukai apa! As for the MDC their biggest downfall is "leadership cowardice" and the general belief that Zimbabweans support them. Even at the Warriors football matches it is plain to see that Zimbabweans support the winning team. Where in the history of Africa has a strongman fallen without anyone going to jail for the cause. How many MDC leaders are languishing in jail? If you are not willing to be vigilant enough to stand up to Mugabe who do you think will lead you against him. >:(To Morgan stop globetrotting around SADC and start being visible as someone who is openly defying all these laws AT HOME. SADC will follow the will of the people. As long as they think ZANU PF has you in a sticky patch they will ply you with diplomatic speak until you look like a bloated fool. ;DIf they see that you are a man of courage who is ready to face the consequences, even death. Then they will respect you. Zimbabweans will respect you too. Young kids do not admire spiderman, superman and batman for nothing. If you value yourself as a true leader then go out the on the streets of Harare and address those people. Bugger the laws. ZANU PF will sit up and listen too because you are now in their face. Ikokzvino unongove Morgan asinakurwa hondo anotya kufa. Let them take you to prison for it. Without that you will NEVER rule Zimbabwe! Let someone else go out there and address the people when you are in prison. Start being a party in prison not a party of sissies who hide behind expensive lawyers. As long as you go around clamouring for the rule of law and other such unneccessary garbage you will never get to State House. You are going to lose this election and that will be the end of MDC. Now is not a time for organising marches with your mouth that never materialise because the MDC executive was to scared to go on the streets and die for the gravy that comes with ruling. Hanzi "Final Push!". ;D Now is time for visible, decisive action and defiance. You will never rule Zimbabwe if you are a coward. These guys stood up to the white men when a white man was a feared god in Africa. Smith and his boys vakanga vakaoma. I will come and congratulate you when you beat us but I know that you guys are cowrds so I have already bought my champagne for our victory in 2005. ;DYou need that kind of courage now or else shut up and go and get a Zanu PF farm. And help us to destroy Zimbabwe. Look because of you we can no longer even watch repeats of Dynasty or Dallas let alone listen to Mapfumo on radio. Asi chii nhai magwara! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by EK on Nov 4, 2004 10:52:42 GMT -5
Yeh thats a true analysis of events .
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Post by Bwana Wmia on Nov 5, 2004 4:54:04 GMT -5
Fungai
The pro-Bob supporters or Bob sympathisers are in acute denial, in much the same way that pro-Nazi or Nazi sympathisers were in denial during the dark days of the 3rd Reich. When presented with the atrocities being committed in the Jewish concentration camps their repudiation of the evidence was so fanatical that they stopped believing what their eyes and ears told them.
In the town of Dachau the local people walked blissfully past the gates of the notorious concentration camp of the same name. When the wagons or wheelbarrows, piled high with the skeletal bodies of dead Jews, who had been torture or gassed, past them by on the roads they saw no crime or evidence of atrocities. Their voluntary inactive condemnation of these brutal institutions advanced the legitimising of the most inhumane hostilities and appalling atrocities against humanity.
Some say the local town’s folk may be forgiven for their insensitivity, selective blindness and lack of anguish for these people because they were at war and that the “INVISIBLE” bodies were “ONLY” those of Jews (I know I could not forgive them but those are the views some people).
The Mugabe fundamentalists or Mugandamentalist are of the worse kind, because we are not at war and yet these atrocities and brutal acts of violence are being foisted upon our own people and in some extreme cases upon family by another member of the family. These people are void of a modicum of conscience and would medically be described as psychopathic: a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterised by a tendency to commit antisocial or violent acts and a failure to feel guilt or remorse for such acts.
To debate any topic with a bigot is frivolous.
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