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Post by Ren on Apr 15, 2004 3:57:43 GMT -5
One independent US based poll suggested that Mugabe and co. were clear favourites to win the next elections - regardless of election conditions. MDC could bury its head in the sand and pretend it does not have a genuine diminishing-support problem or they can have an honest heart to heart while there is still time to do something about it. I agree with one member on this forum who suggested that maybe MDC ought to question whether or not Tsvangirai is still the right man going forward - take lessons from the British conservative party, there is a point where you have to stop flogging the dead horse, and as far as the potential of winning elections is concerned I feel Morgan may have come to the end of the road.
I am also worried that some on this forum feel armed unrest may be necessary to get rid of the current government - I hope these same people will also be first in line to take the stray bullet when trouble erupts. Has life in Iraq got better? I guess the answer to that depends on who you are. In as much as there is general intimidation of the swing voters, one has to acknowledge that Mugabe does command a large loyal support base and it would be naive to assume that these will just crumble and give in if force was used, after all we have to remember that the liberation struggle was fought by less than 100,000 nationalists. Call me a coward, but I do treasure peace and I struggle to put a price for any life, more so when the return in the form of the new regime is not known and untested, if not at time appearing dodgy. The electoral environment in Zimbabwe is not the best neither is it the worst in the world; there may be a case of a bad cook blaming his utensils here, MDC had a good start as an opposition party spurred on by a shock collapse of the economy but has been failing to build up on that momentum. Shock results have been achieved in equally repressive states in Africa - Kenya, Zambia and Malawi; you can convince yourself that Mugabe is a level higher or you can get your finger out of your what not and do something about it. One is also minded to think MDC is at times its own enemy judging by the level of defections and internal squabbles. Perhaps the party ought to follow its own slogan, and its time to “Chinja - Change - Guqula”.
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Post by yahwe on Apr 15, 2004 5:22:48 GMT -5
the MDC will not suffer the fate of previous oppostion parties. It is much bigger and better than that. It just asnt quite learnt the true depth of the struggle for democracy, yet, but it is in the right direction. And I think it unfair to see things, issues, in sch a negative mannner, thinking constantly of impossibilites as opposed to possibilities. Moreover, the zimbabwean peoepel are not gullible or 'stomach conscious to the extent that they do not see the polticla principle behind and about the MDC. Even after big harvests.
I find participants in this discussion absorbed in the misplaced confidence of criticising from the sidelines, wanting to support the team by booing it.
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Post by manifesto82 on Apr 20, 2004 1:05:02 GMT -5
dear readers...i mean brothers and sisters
i gather you are all men and hopefully women with all good intentions regardless the means and of one goal, personal freedom under ofcourse the veil of democracy, just as the same war vets who now we scorn and deem uncivil and worse still unpatriotic. but ask yourselves this...who then is the patriot? you, me, him her...i gather you are all in some place far from home and yet you theorise onhow things can be made better instead of constructive thought and effort towards building a nation as opposed to slandering those we hold different from us.... ladies and gentlemen, the bigger enemy is not our president, it is not the poor rains or the white man... our biggest enemy is institutional and the moment we grasp that is te moment we can strive to better ourselves and our nation. once we are able to tell the forces at work objectively and not partially can we advance...this hate for our fellow country men...d**n we are going nowhere fast.. so what is my view,or maybe what is my point. well that is not the issue, the issue is what is yours and what are you going to do about it, sit and type a response. i hope not. lets come together agospel so old and dreamy...the opium for the learned monkey, rather lets reflect on the true enemy, if he exists.
peace much love to zim the land of equality, you jus have to know where to look.
ps not all white man is your friend but all black is your brother... think about it. even robert.
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Post by Kutz Zar on May 16, 2004 3:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by Tabataba Sibanda on May 16, 2004 14:24:42 GMT -5
l am saddened by the fact that after years and years of trying to dislodge Zanu PF from power, the MDC is still using ineffective strategies.Surely, the strategies must be reviewed now.What is needed is a strategy that will show the determination and courage of the leadership.People do not want press conferences after press conference.They want a practical action that will bring a practical result. Needless to say , people do not want Zanu PF anymore-to be precise they have long divorced from Zanu PF.MDC has a contract with the people of Zimbabwe.That contract is being breached.What is needed now is the specific perfomance of that contract.MDC must think long and hard.
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Post by Q on May 18, 2004 1:46:36 GMT -5
I am saddened by what is happening and continuing to happen in our beloved land. i am one of those who is starting to doubt the MDC. I am now supporting the party only because I hate Mugabe & ZANU nuts with a passion. Guys it is time to get tough. Stop being sissies. Get out there and loobby for votes. Have ur own secret agents and underground people. We can easily win this election. I am definitely going home to vote this time around and will make sure that all those around me will vote for the MDC. The struggle continues.......let us leave the internal struggles and concentrate on beating the common enemy
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Post by Yahwe on May 18, 2004 7:44:27 GMT -5
comrades, Lupane is a sad result but we shouldnt read too much into it or generalise about it. The loss was due to the impossibility of a decent campaign for the opposition. the loss also came against the backdrop of the unnatural death of the previous MP. Our party therefore need not lose heart. We dont need to judge opursleves too harshly. we need instead to think clearly about a national strategy for next years parly elelctions. we know the Zanu pf machinery will be spread thinly and will not concentrate on one specific by-election and it will thereofre be incumbenet upon us to organsie with greater precision.
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Post by J Mzulu on May 20, 2004 13:56:25 GMT -5
MDC enters the 2005 elections-financially broke,and it seems burnt out. The issues are very clear-the people have been reduced to poverty,unemployment is too high,housing is unaffordable,education is expensive,our hospitals are in a mess. MDC needs to direct its efforts at the poor people of this country,to win their support through a well organised campaign to convince them that what they have to offer is the best alternative for the country. There is need for hard work by the leadertship-who should be meeting as many people as possible-to get the message accross.MDC must be seen as a party which can improve lives of poor people-through better government,international support and capable leadership. ZANU (PF) will continue with the message that they gave people land-and that the MDC is a bunch of british puppets.MDC is not ZANU(PF) so must avoid personal attacks and stick to the bread and butter issues,furthur more the leadership will have to work 10 times harder if MDC is to win the 2005 elections
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Post by Baba on May 20, 2004 14:15:16 GMT -5
BABA
I am actually replying to my friend Mr Shumba. Yes I agree to what you are saying that IN short That MDC is not doing enough But look at this points
1- who is cpntrolling the state media. IS the MDC allowed even to have a meeting let alone a rally . Why did the Gvt banned at all cost the Daily News.
2- Who Sees to it that the voters roll is correct and who administer the voter registration. Why vana sabuku allowed to vet people before voting.
3- How many people , MDC officials who were killed becouse they speek a lot about the MDC. Who will now dare to be in the fore front . Silence does not mean that we had forgoten MDC or we voted by default in 2002.
4- Be Prepared for a shocker My friend we are just waiting for the best time. For Your Infor I come from Zvimba rural and you know what MDC is the talk of the day believe you me, But it is ver very dangerous to say it in public. Time is coming when Rural people knows that voting is secret.
LASTLY HAPANA CHISINGAPERE HAMA
MDC FOREVER
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Post by AMAI on May 20, 2004 14:27:09 GMT -5
AMAI
To those our brothers and sister who are commenting from abroad i.e UK and USA etc please keep your comments.
we here we know what is going on on the ground. You are not the right people to comment becoz you have got wrong picture of what is going on here. Why did you leave Zimba going where you are is not becoz of Mugabe . All the strategies you are saying MDC must do do not apply here becouse of the brutal laws in place. Those apply where you are becouse their is Democracy not here.
Tsvangirai is the BEST candidate , Remember we are the ones who pressurised him and others to form a party , remember is braveness during the trying times. HE is doing his level best . Remember the MAnhenga Incident where his was nearly killed (shot) while from a Bindura Rally. Later you comment without facts. Ask us and we will tell you more.
CAN YOU GO AROUND JUST FOR 60 SECONDS SAYING tSVANGIRAI OR MDC AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU.
TO MDC OFFICIALS I SAY WE ARE TOGHER TILL COWS COME HOME. ZVICHZPERA CHETE NYANGWE VADEURE ROPA SAI.
ZANU PF IS AFRAID OF MDC THUS WHY THIER ARE GREEN BOMBERS , POSA'S ETC.
CHINJA
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Post by joseph mutiti on May 20, 2004 23:32:44 GMT -5
i read your views with a lot of interest Mr Shumba and i have to admit that those are views held by quite a numbe of other zimbabwes. if i am not mistaken you are of the view that regardless of the greatly skewed playing field in Zimbabwe the MDC should still have done enough to win and remove RG Mugabe's regime from power by now, and certainly during the 2000 presidential elections. what i may want to know from you is how exactly you content they should have done this and wether you do not consider a lot of the actions they have carried out to be reasonable attempts at changing the situation under the prevailing situation. i will point out a few of these actions soon, but firstly i want to put it to you that instead of blaming the opposition for failing to unsit the president i strongly label a large portionof the blame on (and pardon me for the word) "passive" Zimbabweans, who expect the opposition to deliver the goods for them but are not in my opinion willing to play an active part in helping to fulfil that goal, and are not willing to go the extra mile or where neccessary suffer for there own freedom. you can not sit by and watch and hope for tsvangi and his executive to plan and then proceed to carry out a certain course of action and then not participate in that course of action in anyway whatsoever (and even contribute in a negative way in those circumstances were non participation gives victory for the gvt) and at the end of the day blame them for the failure. let me just give one example of this at this point. i was in Zimbabwe when the MDC leadership called on all Zimbabweans to "stay away" from work as a form of protest against the gvt. this was meant to be a week long demonstration of the people's anger against the way things are happening in Zim. i can safetly say that the majority of people in the urban areas were aware of this call from the opposition, and the message certainly was passed around despite the suppression of information and the propaganda in zim). in my view this was an excellent opportunity for the masses of zimbabwe, for all those mourning voices we here everyday on the streets, to express that mourning and there dissatisfaction in a visible and definate manner. what happened was in effect the opposite. only a few people heeded the calls and the majority did in fact go to work. it then buffles me when the same person ( and i am not refering to you here) who work up early that morning and was the first at work to then turn around and say the opposition is not doing enough to unseat the gvt. but surely what more did they want tsvangi to do? tsvangi and the 30 members of his executive cannot stay away from work and be noticed by this regime. it needs the masses to be involved, it needs the masses to realise that they in fact have the power to force the gvt to change its policies. if the election (which under the current situation neither the MDC nor any other party where it to be formed could dream of winning) failed then it leaves me to believe that a show of mass anger and discontent is the next available option. and people should have realised this and participated actively. i agree that they are a lot of people who have bravley participated in such situations even to there detriment at times, and these should be apllauded, but the majority have been passive. the MDC can atticulate a vision and can do there best to spread that vision and to let people know what they are planning to do and what they think is the best course of action. beyond that there is not much they can do. indeed most of the revolutions have been won when the masses decided to participate and take an active role. theis can be said for our own liberation struggle, the struggles in other countries all over the world, indonesia, georgia, guinea, malawi, kenya, the DRC (against mobuto), to mention only but a few. if people did not participate because they felt the opposition was not good enough to lead them and articulate a course of action, then people should not blame the MDC for doing nothing, rather let them organise themselves (those with the better ideas that is) and then let them find another solution or form another party in zimbabwe. there are several paths that the opposition have tried to take in order to bring about change in zimbabwe and indded unseat the oppressive regime. one is the one i just mentioned above. the mdc also tried the negotiated settlement route, including repeated attempts at talks with the zanu pf gvt to try and level the playing field, and we all know the result of that. then the mdc has resorted to the justice system to try and level out some of the imbalances, especially the conduct of elections and also by challenging some of the results of the 2000 parliamentary elections. all these courses of action have failed to yield any success whatsoever. despite the rulings from several judges the zanu pf MPs from the constituancies where such rulings were given against there victory still sit in parliament today, some of them like Mutasa are even being appointed to cabinet posts. the mdc the tried popular mass action. remember when he called for a decent on the state house and ended up i a state house of his own! yes but at least he tried that route. the mdc have made repeated attempts to get regional leaders to intervene, but again how can you expect Nujoma to oppose Mugabe when he clearly admires his tactics of control and power. as for the international community they have tried that for years and with some fruit but not sufficient as you have noted. avenues such as the parliameny are obviously out of the question and i am sure you will agree there. what other actions have they not taken that they should have taken, or should take. well i dont know maybe you could give some specifics. not to sound like i think there is no hope left at all, rather on the contrary i fell that there is a lot that can be done but success can only come when the masses of zimbabwe decide that they want to participate, that they have had enough, and when people decide to take heed to some of those calls for action from the opposition. as for the question of the mdc not having done enough to let the people know there policies and "sell" themselves to the people as it where, i also would want to disagree with your opinion on that. the party has used all the means at its disposal to desipate as much information about its policies as it can. you would appreciate that media such as the mdc's web site has a lot of information about the parties policies. i remember seeing a lot of adverts in the daily news about some of there positions on different issues including the land issue, and other issues such as health and empoloymen creation. these are all policies on paper and i find it rather harshe for people to critisize these as failures when they have not been given the chance toi be tried. on the contrary zanu pf has had the whole economy of zimbabwe in its hands and have been trying there policies for years and what has that led us to. the other fact that we have to accept is that advertising costs a lot of money and so one could not expect the mdc to be continually advertising in the media everyday or even several times a week for that matter. there is just not much the mdc or (any other party for that matter) could do about the choking strangle hold that the gvt has on information and its distribution. the party is not allowed to campaing and hold rallies, where policies can potentially be mentioned and explained.ou and i know very well how the mdc simply cannot hold a rally in the rural areas at all. now the same scenario seems to be spreading to the towns. just the other day the mbare mp was putting up postres for a rally to be addressed by the party president when he was attacked by zanu pf thugs and the not suprising was arested and the rally cancelled. now can we blame the mdc for not elaborating its policies in mbare. even a small gathering or door to door campainging will still result in those people spreading the ord and there policies being arrested or assaulted and then being arrested when they go to report there assault to the police. i would challenge you to come up with other means of spreding information that the gvt has not, or will not likely suppress by different machanisms. which is why i feel that when the puplicity does go thru even if in a negative way, Eg the mdc are calling for a strike because they want to destroy the economy, people should see beyond that cheap propaganda and take that as a rallying call to go out and express themselves. going to another issue that you mention that the mdc should have used the opportunities they had in councils and local goverments to show case there ability to deliver, i think i only need to refer you to the case of Harare and Mudzuri. one could surely not expect Mudzuri (and the MDC) to succeed in anyway under such circumstances. in less that six months in office he had been suspended for poor running of council affairs. where do you know where such kind of reasoning is applied, and which gvt or authority or council could have turned years of messing up in only 180 days? i wont say more about Harare its too obviuos, but let me just mention that the mdc councils in many parts of the country have indeed been quite successful in bettering the lives of residents in those ares. an example is the city of Kariba, which is being run by a white mdc mayor. the city has carried out numerous development projects, is proving housing for a lot of people and the concil has not raised rates at the same rate as many other cities by employing certain measures. they pay a third of what most people pay for water and rates. but alas how is someone in harare going to know about this when the only news they hear is ZBC and the herald. (this massage is continued in another posting)
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Post by joseph mutiti on May 20, 2004 23:36:13 GMT -5
. it would seem from this opinion that all i have done is to chronicle obstacles and not mention a solution or way forward from here. well if one was to ask me what i then thing is the way forward i would say the same thing that i have been saying, THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE. THE MASSES, the ordinary working ZIMBABWEAN, the very same person who is mourning at the streetcorner or in the beerhall, the very same people who are critisizing the mdc and tsvangi, these are the people who hold the key. only when Mugabe and his cronies see (note its not enough for them to know it because they already know but they need to see it in action) the discontent of the people, will they ever start to consider changing the state of things. i suggest that the mdc needs to organose a mass stayaway. and the PEOPLE need to participate! it avoids the tag of violence and claims of a violent protest by the gvt thereby eliminating an excuse they always use to unlashe violence against the zimbabwean people. and if there is enough participation by the people, i believe the gvt will be forced to the negotiating table and these negotiations will be aimed at chainging election laws and also drawing up a new constitution which can help, and then finally people could be allowed to vote in an environment that may give the opposition a chance. i would be keen to hear your view and that of anyone else on this opinion i hold
josepf mutiti
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Post by Courage Shumba on May 24, 2004 7:41:53 GMT -5
Fellow Comrades
I address you against the background of the loss of the Zengeza seat.Nothing could have been more predictable than that the Mdc is its present form would perform dismally to the dismay of all those that carry its banner as Zimbabwe's possible successor gorvenment to the ruling Mugabe party.have to say however in the final analysis elections in Zimbabwe no longer carry the merit of victory nor do they signal defeat.Elections are now just an activity by which the ruling party insists there is democracy.Substantively Zimbabwe does not hold elections.What ever the process by which people simulate elections is called it is far greater in importance to state with a degree of assurance that given the absence of a more peaceful way of selecting representatives Zimbabweans should be looking for other means of expressing solidarity with policies and leaders of their choice.I have huge problems with the Mdc ,Nca,and civic organisations stances on Mugabe to whom they recently sent a petition asking him to put in place a framework to allow free and fair elections. It is as if these organisations have never known or heard how Mugabe despises free elections,opposition and any views contrary to his.The ballot system has lost or never had meaning in the despotic tyranny of Mugabe and his deputies.Free elections will remove Mugabe and expose him to the will of the majority of Zimbabweans who need answers for the starvation,suffering and helplessness in which they are to be found today.The people of Zimbabwe need to know the true justification for the economic delapidation and social malaise with which we are recognised the world over.The deputies Mugabe leave behind are looking forward to carry over from where Mugabe leaves.They will seek to legitimise repression in the interests of stopping neo-colonisation by Western countries.I do believe that we are in a crisis but it would help us if we realised that our independence and freedom are,and will always remain more important than the procedure through which we attain them.Our freedom is far more useful to us than the recognition of formalities and practices that only defer the opportunity for true equality before fair laws and our natural resources.Mugabe or his deputies will keep Zimbabwe waiting for majority rule forever.Elections are not elections when they are dedicated to make represantations other than what the electorate seeks to state.
Zimbabweans must not allow themselves to be abused and brainwashed by Zanu Pf or even the Mdc about the relevance of elections as a guarantor or freedom.People want their actual rights to livelihood and that is beyond debate.We can never debate the right of Zimbabweans to a livelihood.Elections are a waste of time in the current situation .Many of us simply want to fight and die if that is the only way our children and loved ones can be guaranteed an end to this political fiasco in Zimbabwe.If we fear death today in our thousands,we shall die cornered tommorrow in our millions.Villains like Mugabe will always be there.We must guard against them whether they come through Zanu pf or the opposition. These elections are not what we want.What we want is to be able to draw our own constitution,we want to be able to hold subsequent legitimate gorvenments accountable to parliament and ultimately the people,we want efficient hospitals for the sake of our health,we want food in abundance,we want wealth in urban and rural areas alike,we want many tv channels (independent and state run,the same for radio stations ,various state and independent news magazines,to enhance our right to information,choice and above all the truth which Zanu Pf's Herald has been assigned never to say unless it has no political implications or suits Zanu pf headmaster Mugabe.We need to be able to afford food,to invest,own property.In short what we need is what Mugabe has been doing for himself all along-flying,having enough food,feel young at 80,take care of our spouses,building spacious homes,buying efficient cars and feeling very secure albeit without an excessive security appendage.What Mugabe does not know for lack of conscience is that what is good for him is good for us all.If we were to all live like him and his ministers do we may otherwise never need elections as regulary and Mugabe would be thrilled.But as for as long as we cant find work to support ourselves,for as long we cant afford a decent livelihood,for as long as we cant use the ballot box to make changes we must always leave our door open for other forms of action that not only communicates our cause but ultimately achieves it.We do not want elections for the sake of just having elections .If we are going to choose people we want to gorven for us not gorven us,then we shall do so freely without fear or loss of life amongest us.Political parties shall put details of their proposals before us for us to examine .We are not a nation of juveniles.If we are fit to vote as adults i believe we must also be seen to be able to make decisions for ourselves without any coersion.What rationale is there for people have a right to vote minus the choice.
We can not go on wasting time talking about Mugabe.Lets talk about Tsvangirai instead and the whole society around him that have failed to turn the tables on Zanu Pf.Can there be an opportunity more closer than was there that clearly stood Zanu Pf where it must stand than 2002-2004 period.Mdc obeys Zanu Pf's bad rules.If i were Morgan Tsvangirai i would be hiding in the mountains of Chiweshe or whereever if necessary mobilising people,holding midnight meetings, and agitating the people.That is what a leader must be prepared to do than to follow the bad laws of Zanu Pf naturally set to annihilate and immobilize the agenda for change being unlawfully refused your rights through unfounded judicial excuses by highly politicised judges.A true fighter would never subject himself to justice system developed to further the political ends of a d**ning dictatorship.A case in point is the Mayor of Harare Elliot Mudzuri who refused to be subjected to a kangaroo court by Ignitius Chiminya Chombo.
We need to look at elections as one of the ways which we might use to allow the people of Zimbabwe a new era of socio-economic equality and progress.If elections fail owing to gorvenment meddling we will still have the alternative of getting rid of those amongest us that fear the upsurge of a rebellion and then execute change through force.It must be understood when we use force as we shall,that we were merely forced into it by the absence of elections.
Courage Shumba
Nyika Vanhu Foundation
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Post by Courage Shumba on May 24, 2004 9:17:13 GMT -5
Comrades and Friends
I have returned to engage discourse with i believe colleagues namely Mr Mutiti and another i will respectifully refer to by the name authored through as BABA .I do believe foremost that it may never have been easy to remove Mugabe.Again i do not expect it to be easy at any other time.None of the means we use are going make it easy let us not want to seek comfort in lies.Elections will be tempered with for as long as they remain the voice through which we seek to change those responsible for drawing and administering policy at political level.Elections in Zanu Pf 's lifetime especially under its rogue cabinet and party leadership will be used to frustrate our desire for prosperity something unattainable under Zanu Pf party.
Faced with the reality that the only time Zanu Pf will acede to electoral fairness is when all those with something to hide have died or run away with assurance of never to be extradicted.A lot has happened since 1980 and with half a chance many aggrieved Zimbabweans would like justice to be carried out.An opposition gorvenment can not give adequate assurance to protect those who did wrong from prosecution.Remember the Perence Shiri genocide.Remember the confistication of farms meant for redistribution and also consider the anger of all those who can testify to corruption at senior political levels. Within Zanu Pf as with the whole of Zimbabwe it is a matter of life that is at stake.They can not barr elections but they know they can manipulate the outcome.They will kill people as usual next year. There was mention to the fact that people can not die for an opposition whose credentials are in doubt or to put it politely not yet tested.This fight is not to put Mdc in power.If it is then i choose not to be part of it.I believe that this a struggle to put us all first before our country.I remain obdurate and adamant that the only reason for involvement in any political process is to put the interests of the people first and not even by accident those of a political party.Political parties are not drawn in heaven .They are a coming together of people with similar beliefs about how they should contribute negatively or positively to the political demands of a chosen time.So it would be naive to fight and let alone die for a party not the actual benefit by which the generality of the population is expected to achieve positive difference.With or without political parties they are certain fundamental rights and basics we all wish to see or to enjoy.It is these things that Zanu Pf has even disregarded.These are things like life,health,food,clean water and choice.In actaul effect Zanu Pf has put us into a state of torture.Women can hardly afford if at all they can still access sanitary towels in Zimbabwe.The situation in Zimbabwe has invaded the dignity of society with serious repurcations on the preservation of morals and mental condition of the population.It does not need to be like that at all.We can change this but we need to re-evaluate many things including the relevance of the present MDC executive leadership,its strategies and the momentum for change. Zanu Pf has actually not increased its support base as such even inspite of the electoral victories.There are many Zimbabweans who just did not vote .They are aware that Zimbabwe will not be freed from the yoke of Zanu Pf 21st century apartheid through any process Zanu pf has the ability to control.The problem is that MDC has not got as much loyalists as Zanu pf.To many people it may well be true that Mdc was and remains their gateway to freedom only in as far as it will organise itself to stand up to the regime led by Robert Mugabe.Other than that not many people associate themselves so much with the business of the party.There is a stand off between people who want things to change in Zimbabwe without seeing through the saviourship of the mdc and the MDC PARTY which seeming expects people to work for it to power.
From my experience as Students Executive Council elected Vice President,i realised those that bear the torch must walk diligently to their target as if they are not being followed.Vigilant,courageous and articulate leaders are the people to drive difficult times.Many people are afraid of hurting and the unknown.It is human and leaders must not disregard this but must fuse into our challenge.The police also fear the same things we fear,so does the army and intelligence services.In any situation the price of freedom has never be free.
Mr Mutiti mentioned about the media access problems faced by opposition.The discrepancy will always be there for as long as Zanu pf is gorvenment.Zanu pf will not allow fair elections so those things that are bad will be worse not better.That is why then elections remain only a way of mutually avoiding full scale war .Zanu does not have the support you seem to suggest it has.A rebellion will be successful if well timed and well planned.Not many neighbouring countries can be willing to bring their nationals to fight Zimbabweans in our quest for an end to domination if it is a people war. We are not fighting to put Tsvangirai in power but to remove Mugabe and all practices and laws that will make it difficult to defend our freedoms and advancement to economic equality as native africans.Even with Mdc gorvenment we will need a multi -party democracy.We can not do that without removing Zanu pf and by force if necessary.
Those that are concerned with who goes in the front to recieve first bullets are missing the point.I never suggested that there should be people marching into an armed military unit.People will die either way.Wars anyway have never been for cowards.Those that would rather run away from war should do so.I believe they are not very different from those that sit on the prospect even to date.Zanu pf has now realised that the Tsvangirais are easy to screw up.I am talking about the Bennet way of dealing with Zanu Pf cheapmouths.Those chiefs in rural areas can never forestall our resolution to be free
Fear will never cow me into silence
Courage Shumba
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Post by Vigilante on May 28, 2004 22:22:41 GMT -5
We need more and we can decide whether to vote for these guys or not. DENNY MARANDURE AND JT MOYO EXPOSED - 29 May 2004 By a Correspondent Please click here for more www.mdczimbabwe.org/maynews/dennymoyo.htm
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