Munjanja
Chinja Senior
VAZUNGU VEMACHIRA MACHENA
Posts: 58
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Post by Munjanja on Mar 9, 2005 5:04:44 GMT -5
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Munjanja
Chinja Senior
VAZUNGU VEMACHIRA MACHENA
Posts: 58
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Post by Munjanja on Mar 17, 2005 7:58:20 GMT -5
Scaredum fireblazer YOU ARE ON FIRE If you could only listern to the Voice Of Reaseon then you will be saved. ;D Tsvangirai like Mugabe during the bush war is being supported by the gvts who like to see the true democracy prevailing in Zimbabwe.Mogae president of Botswana said there is drought of democracy in Zim and he is not Western . When Mugabe was in jail for ten years his wife Sally was in Britain eating and sleeping on the white people's money. Among those who were fund raisers of ZANU PF were Peter Thater ngochani iya iya ndinovimba unoiziva . What do we have in Zim that will be so special for the west to control us? ;DIn Mozambique and Kenya they recently discovered huge oil deposits and it is their gvts who are deciding on drilling tenders. And they are progressing while we are sinking. What is Zimbabwe to the west? I am proud of my country but I dont fool myself that it is more special to Britain and America more than the Oil reach states like Lybia,E-Guinea nor is it as big as the populous Nigeria and Ghana, we are not even as rich as DRC and South Africa in any other natural resources. Man dont be fooled by Mugabe's puppert song . Even a stupid benzi repaMbare rinoziva that it is a white lie. In Shona we say Zvinofa negore mukonde kufa ziso ;D
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Post by Andy on Apr 12, 2005 21:36:11 GMT -5
Looking forward to working with everyone to bring these great ideas into reality. "We can do what we will" - Marcus Garvey Zimalliance You are being invited to join the Zimalliance group! This listserv will allow us to share ideas, discuss, formulate strategies, network with individuals and groups of similar goals, have events and do activities aimed at the upliftment of Zimbabwe and its people. Our agenda will include restoration of Democracy, law and order, liberty and social-economic development. groups.yahoo.com/group/zimalliance/
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Post by zvenyika on Apr 13, 2005 2:43:11 GMT -5
I don't know of a thing as true democracy and I have lived in the three most important countries in the world! USA UK and the undisputed no. 1 country ZIMBABWE! By far Zim tops them all when it comes to democracy. I am free to work hard and actually see the results of hard labour. That's democracy! In the UK I can work and toil but the remuneration is never = amount of work put in. I rank US number 2 its a bit better. The problem with Zimbabwe is not Mugabe or Zanu it's the average person iwe neni! Soon after independence it was free health! free Education! virtually free transport! everyone could afford a house waingoneeder kuforera even my grandma with barely a grade three education vakaforera imba. The "Free" this and that was soon to come back and bite in the behind. For as long as I have known there have been corrupt doctors who slept with jnr nurses made them pregnant so they could pay the drs for abortion. Corrupt Bus drivers vaikwidza hama dzavo mabhazi mahara. Corrupt Social svcs run by post Smith regime, paying £80 odd to the white pensioner and the black pensioner being sent kwamudzviti. Corrupt teachers stealing gvt stationery kunoshandisa kumba! As much as I detest the current economic situation it is not fair to blame it on Mugabe and Zanu. There are even already traits of corruption in MDC itself. I believe in making it regardless of who is in power and regardless of where I am. Actually the sanctions on Zim are an opportunity for Zim to not always look to the West for everything. We are a country of endless resources. Lets seize this opportunity stop bickering and get down to business. I don't need forex to build a four bedroomed house at my rurla homested. Mugabe is powerless if you and I realise we have the power to make it whether he is there or not. If u cant make it in Zim as it is now you will never make it in Zim at all. The land created an opportunity and lets not let it pass by unrealized. Land belonging to 4000 white farmers now belonging to 200 000 black farmers? 50:1????I need to feel preferred in my own land. Because in USA I am a secondary being coz I am not their citizen. The rights an American has I don't have. Same in UK. I have never felt deprived in Zimbabwe. I am free to sell freezits at my street corner. I am free to go to have imba kumusha and mutaundi. I am free to install electricity at my kumusha. I am free to vote for mdc or Zanu. Things I can't do anywhere else. Doctors lets get together and build hospitals. Electric Engineers lets get together and start our own power supply company. Telco Engineers lets get together start our own Telco. Teachers lets get together and start our own schools. Lawyers lets get together and start our own firms. Civil Engineers lets get together and start our own water purification and whatever else it is we do. Opportunities are endless. Change does not mean changing leadership it means changing how we think. I dont hate white Zimbabweans but just want to leave u with a fact. They are preferred in the west to me a black zimbabwean that just fuels my zest for success! chau for now
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Post by Msindo on Apr 14, 2005 11:09:48 GMT -5
Hello. I strongly believe that leaders must, where always necessary desist from making comments before full consultation. I became so concerned when President Tsvangirai seemed to have ruled out the legal option after the results of the recent elections, but at the same time say totally nothing informative about the course of action. I thought his information he relayed to the media was damaging and strangely imature at that time. It would be more important for him, and others to consult beforre making such critical statements. If he has nothing to say at the moment, it would be better and gentlemanly to say, 'We are still conslting'. Thats what wisdom says.
I am a member of this party, one of the foirst members and am very concerned when the party makes certain stances that reflect 'little wisdom'./me
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Post by Msindo on Apr 14, 2005 11:10:31 GMT -5
Hello. I strongly believe that leaders must, where always necessary desist from making comments before full consultation. I became so concerned when President Tsvangirai seemed to have ruled out the legal option after the results of the recent elections, but at the same time say totally nothing informative about the course of action. I thought his information he relayed to the media was damaging and strangely imature at that time. It would be more important for him, and others to consult beforre making such critical statements. If he has nothing to say at the moment, it would be better and gentlemanly to say, 'We are still conslting'. Thats what wisdom says.
I am a member of this party, one of the foirst members and am very concerned when the party makes certain stances that reflect 'little wisdom'./me
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Post by zvenyika on Apr 17, 2005 14:39:01 GMT -5
MDC needs to start showing more patriotism with as little things such as putting the zimbabwean flag clearly on the mdc site. It is only 25 years since obtaining independence MDC should acknowledge if it was not for those who fought for the independence of our nation from colonial rule we would not even be having these discussions. MDC needs to stop trying to please the west and should value the struggle for Independence. History plays an important part in our future as a nation. We owe it to our Kids. It is important to remember fallen heroes. Just coz Mugabe is hated should not mean that everyone else who fought for liberation is like him. What is MDC's plan for Independence celebration accross the world? April 18th is for Zimbabwe not for Zanu. If MDC trully be zimbabwean then it needs to start coming home from America and UK. Every American 1st and 2nd grader knows about the Revolution. July 4th is for both the Democrat and the Republican.
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Post by Zvimba nedhongi on Apr 17, 2005 15:19:32 GMT -5
The people of Zimbabwe must not loose heart but continue to fight the Mugabe dictatorhip. It is eventually going to fall. It might rig elections but the tide of change will continue to be against it. The MDC must now more than ever reflect on itself, continue to organise grassroot suport and moblize the people against the dictatorship which is sure going to fall. New strategies are required as the people continue to wage a resolute sruggle against tyranny.
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Post by Zvimba nedhongi on Apr 17, 2005 15:27:25 GMT -5
The people of Zimbabwe must not loose heart but continue to fight the Mugabe dictatorhip. It is eventually going to fall. It might rig elections but the tide of change will continue to be against it. The MDC must now more than ever reflect on itself, continue to organise grassroot suport and moblize the people against the dictatorship which is sure going to fall. New strategies are required as the people continue to wage a resolute sruggle against tyranny.
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Post by Ed Kwaramba on Apr 21, 2005 14:45:37 GMT -5
It is so appauling to hear the president Robert Mugabe ridicule those leaving in the diaspora at the just celebrated Independence of Zimbabwe on Monday.
The president extended a welcome gesture to those leaving outside Zimbabwe to return home instead of working as cleaners of the old people. The president does not realise that those children of Zimbabwe who have decided to leave the country and work in any king of job to earn a living after failing to get a decent living in Zimbabwe.
Mugabe must create jobs for the people. the people are not the problem, but he is. The only jobs that Mugabe is creating is only for his cronies who only serve his interests, not the povo. I would like to tell Mugabe that he must trim his ever increasing cabinet that has been so punctuated with his close relatives such as Phillip Chiyangwa, Leo Mugabe, Sabina Mugabe, and recently has included Patrick Zhiwawo as the deputy Minister of the newly created Ministry of Technology.
Zimbabweans should be asking themselves why this old President has run out of ideas that he creates ministries that do not serve any purpose at all to the suffering Zimbabweans.
Its high time Zimbaweans should call for a competent leader rather than continue to labour under this insensitive present government. Zimbabweans should take charge of this boiling situation before it gets worse. Zimbabweans should be prepared for the inevitable and deal with the situation now rather than tomorrow.
If all Zimbabweans would put their heads together and confront this illegitimate government, that has so perfected the art of rigging elections, Zimbabwe will not be won back through the ballot box. Some thing of a drastic measure should be effected so as to change the regime.
If this is not done today, before we know it, this regime is going to be more tactical and stronger in its clandestine ways. The more Zimbabwe prolongs Mugabe's leadership, the more time he has to recruit those he considers good servants in his terms.
Leadership is not leadership if its not for the people.
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Post by stillmdcbut... on Apr 22, 2005 7:59:40 GMT -5
Maybe I have joined this debate late (have not read all the threads), but I think it is very important.
I am one of those who are now questioning the strategy of the MDC leadership. They give me the impression they are approaching this "regime change business" half-heartedly. Some of the errors / mistakes they make border on incompetence. Comments to the media by the president (MDC) may seem like trivia, but they can make or break a party.
I argue that the failure by the party leadership to EFFECTIVELY mobilise the people is the reason we are failing to get out of this mess. and I am not talking about elections here. Clearly, no opposition party will ever win an election against ZPF in Zim. We participated in the March elections and proved that ZPF has no intention of playing it fair. Now plan onto plan B. Circumsatnces dictate plan B. You can forget the courts. They are privately owned.
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Post by mugabe on Apr 28, 2005 15:39:01 GMT -5
Chinja, its unfortunately true that a lot of people are members of the MDC for Asylum purposes and a lot of them hardly understand the role which they should even after they get granted the asylum. I know a dozen or so people in Atlanta who have conviniently used the MDC to get Asylum but are the biggest opponents of the party.The same people queu up for Homelink goodies and right now are busy applying for the Zanu PF housing loans too. Sad to say that guys like Denny, Regis etc in DC were only using the party to make money from asylum applicants and this brings some truth in the fact that perhaps Denny could have been a Zanu implant in there as shown by his ties to Mawere and Munangagwa. The truth about MDC USA is that it has been infiltrated by people who do not really share the ideals to remove Mugabe. People like you Chinja are very rare in that party and you will be the first to admit that for sure the others in the MDc leadership do not share the same ideals. Instead a lot of the leaders in Atlanta here concentrated on using the MDC as a platform to start up their own small business or even make a little bit of money from selling this or that to members. Mr Madera himself has made quite a bit of money too processing asylum cases and I doubt if some of the money for cards etc found its way into the MDC coffers. The people who share the ideals that you have Chinja are afraid of tainting themselves by associating with some of these bad apples. We need the USA MDC to pass a litmus test before we can all go in there and really believe what everyone is saying. As MDC, the focus now should be on winning the elections by engaging in Campaigns, rallies, door to door, meetings, adverts on zimnet radio, afrosounds and even Short wave radio (this has a large listenership back home just like what Radio Mozambique was during the days of the struggle) You Chinja can make a dramatic change in the way the MDC is structured in USA but you need to take a good look at who is around you. As a professional you are talented with a career which does not lead you into using the MDC for some money to pay bills. Une basa rako rakanaka nad you do not rely on squeezing other Zimbos to make a living and that is why I read your posts when I see them. All you need to do is to change your crowd and a lot of people will join you.
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Post by strategist on Apr 29, 2005 15:43:35 GMT -5
the mdc should be congratulated for sticking in through thick and thin.please note the following
1.when the party had its inaugural congress in 1999, people were not really objective as to the quality of leadership elected.we were concerned with the pending 2000 elections, unity of purpose and mass mobilisation.time was limited and thus zctu, zinasu, nca provided most who made it into the national executive.some were chosen because they could sing louder, others for chanting the slogan better, some for bravery and others just because they had been political commentators during constitutional debate.
5yrs down, priorities are different and the pressures also.people are now more objective, and its quality of leadership that matters now.the fact that you pionered, was beaten before, sang louder now doesnt matter if the struggle has to go forward. thus a lot of the current national executive members have outlived their purpose.we need to open up and allow more vibrant,energetic, visionary,robust , and technically sound leadership to come in to strengthen the party.
the following must just go remus makuwaza, nicholas mudzengerere,, cephas makuyana,steven mudenda,masimba ruzvidzo,mica bhebhe,amos chibaya,silas matamisa,marimo,edwin dzambara,and e,chamunogwa they are just too empty and too simple to dangle in national politics
make space for people like mudzuri,madzore,madhuku,mwonzora, and shake maya and bring more from far afield.
2.the top six is a harvest of thorns.issac matongo,fletcher ndulini,gift chimanikire must make way out.the national chairman is the weakest point. welshman has not done enough as sec gen.
the president is surrounded by unsophisticated advisers.gandhi mudzingwa is just not up to scratch.mukonoweshure should be the presdential adviser and the group must be enlarged with sound minds.the president has been inconsistent many times, gives illtimed responses, only to back off eg on boycotts.he needs straightening up.
3.the issue of tribal balancing was overplayed at inaugural congress.the top six has three ndebeles and three shonas.the population of zim is not 50-50.let leaders be elected on merit.
3. guess your reply is leaders are elected by party structures.well the party organs are in shambles, full of politically inept leaders at provinces going down.its only those who sing louder,sloganering,and those with money to buy votes who make up the organs.their selections are seldom objective. you need to appoint some to balance that.you only have to look at zanu politburo, central commitee to realise the personnel at their disposal.
4.the security department is too weak.intelligence is lacking.full of bodyguards only.compare with the enemy ie cio,army, police all channel intelligence to zanu.how can you beat that with the current personnel. mabody guards are not intelligence officers
5.the women assembly is just an old peoples home.lame, unsophisticated,just dumb.they have failed to articulate women issues,neither to attract female voters.what do you expect with an organising sec like mai chimanikire etc.mai matibenga is a good oretor and it ends there.
i can go on.the whole machinery needs a revamp.an efficient, mean, well coordinated,capacited org is the answer.
information dept.DIED WITH LEARNMORE JONGWE
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Post by MT on May 31, 2005 9:21:50 GMT -5
The working class has the power to defeat Mugabe. General strike and armed insurrection is the strategy we need to prepare for.
The MDC leaders are scared of the masses - they want a more orderly regime change so that they can become the new ruling class and get on with expoliting us! They are just as scared of the masses taking action as Mugabe is.
Workers need their own party. The MDC is pro-capitalist, tied to the land owners and western imperialism. Time to kick out the leaders, or form a new workers' party!
For a democratic socialist Zimbabwe!
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Post by New leadership on May 31, 2005 12:37:16 GMT -5
The question every Zimbabwean has been asking now and again is whether we really have an alternative opposition or not. Since 2000 people have spoken but have not been listened to. Why is it taking long for the leadership to realise that the elections route to power will never work in Zimbabwe?. Why is the leadership failing to capitalise on situations on the ground to call for popular revolt. I bet if the leaders we have today had lived during the conial era we would still be under colonial rule. No wonder Mugabe seems to be indespensible. There is literally no effective leadership, this is not for Tsvangira only but for the entire executive team ,you have failed us. You should resign in shame and allow for new elections. There is no difference between Tsvangira or Themba, or Welshman Ncube, we expect these people to be working together which means no one is spared for blame. Please allow new people to take over and lead us, otherwise you are now just behaving like Zanu pf. Refusing to act, failing your supporters and refusing to go presumably on the strength or arguement that you formed the party. History is just repeating itself. You have no ideas to take as to state house and yet you ignore advise given. Your strategy is just to do nothing, sit and watch as the economy deterirate further. Whoever is speaking about Mugabe planning to introduce emergency laws must be living on another planet. We already have emergency laws in the form of AIPPA and POSA and yet some people are now too afraid to call a spade a spade. It is fast dawning on most Zimbabweans that before we can remove Mugabe we need to check ourselves. Change our leaders and have progressive people who will lead us to freedom
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