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Post by MDC ZIMBABWE on May 3, 2005 11:47:09 GMT -5
How do we salvage what we have
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Post by JOB RUKANDA on May 4, 2005 4:25:34 GMT -5
There is no sight of recovery in agriculture as long we do not consider property rights.
With Mugabe's expropriation of land creates a greater political risk to invest in Zimbabwe similar to the 1970 policies of Chile and Nicaragua were bilateral agreements were broken and the US government had to recover its assets through expropriating passenger aeroplanes upon landing in US.
We can have adequate rain but we will not recover because those who were 'given' Land are not farmers and they do not have any skills .
We have several Institutes of Agriculture and all those graduates are running successfull agricultural ventures in other countries and those are the very people who should have been targeted first not war vets.
My uncle is now running a ranch and tobacco farming in Manica province in Mozambique.
The standing fact is redistribution need to be done again and target people who can produce.
But the other stumbling issue is the market and this can only be solved by minimisation of political risk true democratic election are needed not these manipulations we see day and night.
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Post by stillmdcbut... on May 4, 2005 6:16:26 GMT -5
How do we salvage what we have Straight talking? We cannot. Get into power first, then we can talk about setting things right. Manifestos are great but they are not worth the paper they are written on, until they are put into action. It seems to me we should worry about the disintegrating MDC, how we can "salvage it" , and then get into power, FIRST. I DO NOT MEAN TO DERAIL A VERY RELEVANT, AND IMPORTANT DEBATE AND MATTER IN THE CONTEXT OF ZIM. But I don't see the point. We cannot even help to keep our Mayor and councillors in power!! - just as one example. ZANU-PF should be asking this question. They have the mandate (stolen or not) to make things happen. May we please concentrate on getting into power first. Then we will cross the Agriculture brigde when we get to it. We are not ther yet. |
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Post by Buck on May 12, 2005 9:26:42 GMT -5
May we please concentrate on getting into power first. Then we will cross the Agriculture brigde when we get to it. We are not ther yet. I think a little discussion on agriculture isn't going make the MDC's bid for power grind to a halt. I'm curious to see how the MDC can appease the farmers and the settlers when it comes to land reform. Are the settlers going to be too pleased about being kicked off redistributed land? After the years of Zanu brainwashing will they not just see it as the land being taken from them again? |
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Post by JOE on May 13, 2005 6:51:28 GMT -5
Mugabe should GO. CASE CLOSED
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Post by stillmdcbut... on May 13, 2005 7:08:57 GMT -5
May we please concentrate on getting into power first. Then we will cross the Agriculture brigde when we get to it. We are not ther yet. I think a little discussion on agriculture isn't going make the MDC's bid for power grind to a halt. I'm curious to see how the MDC can appease the farmers and the settlers when it comes to land reform. Are the settlers going to be too pleased about being kicked off redistributed land? After the years of Zanu brainwashing will they not just see it as the land being taken from them again? The original post asks how "what we have" can be salvaged. And thus my direct response - we are not in a position to salvage anything!!!! Anything at all. We cannot even get things that we have legal rights to. Your concern or rather CURIOSITY is "to appease the farmers and the settlers". I am sure this is important, but Zim's situation is so desparate there are, in my opinion, other priorities. For instance: A commercial farm must be given to a competent commercial farmer. If this means further resettlement so be it. I think this is what Job Kukanda means also? How else will the MDC achieve it's objectives in the Agric policy? How else will we stop starvation? I am interested to know your view on this, as well? What were you thinking? |
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Post by patricia on May 16, 2005 15:52:11 GMT -5
Wanhu munonga makanganwa kuti so called white farmers are now Zimbabweans born breed generation after generation. Saka ivhu must be distributed to everyone. Wanogona kurima must be forced to work neawo wanoda kudzidza...and that is another thing people must actually want the land ini ndinoda zvangu kupinda maTM or OK and buy my milk i leave the farming to others. I know i am not alone....This time (when we are in power) first find out how many people really need land and how much they can actally profitably handle...A balance in the needs of the masses and what our Zim economy demands from the land. Taneta nemaqueque
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Post by stillmdcbut... on May 23, 2005 6:48:00 GMT -5
Wanhu munonga makanganwa kuti so called white farmers are now Zimbabweans born breed generation after generation. I don't think so Sisi Patricia. In my post I do not mean that whites should be excluded from any ressetlement programme. Merit should be balanced with a lot of other issues, eg the fact that some people are landless, and that Zim is predominantly an Agric. country and therefore we have to maximise production. This obviously means the commercial land will have to be allocated to the tried and tested commercial farmers, and qualified starters who have real potential to produce, not only for their immediate families, but for export as well. Neither am I suggesting that there should not be compensation. I thought these things were pretty obvious. I doubt very much if the Int'l community will refuse to help with this with the MDC, or a democratically elected Gvt in power. But I would rather the first option be to get the commercial farmers back first. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. You are not alone. I DO NOT want a farm either. I want to work in a bank, like I always have, in the comfort that there is a competent farmer who will ensure, with the help of everyone concerned, that there is always milk at TM, Bon Marche, etc, and also flowers in The Netherlands, and Tobacco in the Int'l market, for our forex. And for me, this is the crux of all matters. We need to DO SOMETHING to get into power. NOW!!!!! |
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Post by cm on May 24, 2005 6:12:25 GMT -5
Ivhu rinofanira kupihwa kune avovaneruzivo rwekurima, kune vasina ruzivorwo kurima aiwa, ngavadzidziswe kurima, muchena kana mutema aneshungu dzekusimudzira zvokurima ngaapihwe mukana vakaenzerana kuitirakuti nyika yedu ibudirire. Food production should improve if people get enough support from the government. Ndaramba zvangu nyope seni kuti ndigotambisa ivhu ini ndisina kana ruzivo kana shungu dzokurima dzacho
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Post by Alan on May 30, 2005 12:40:11 GMT -5
:)As a white Englishman but VERY HAPPILY married to a black Zimbabwean I am able to see the problems from all sides. First let me say that I love Zimbabwe and Zimbabwean people and just pray that the country can get back to being the "Pride of Africa" once again, and as soon as possible. There are many aspects to providing food etc from agriculture and the only way to solve the situation is for white and black farmers to get together and formulate a plan for the rescue of this wonderful country. This plan must be ready to work as soon as MDC gain power. It is no use waiting to get into government first and then wasting another 2 or 3 years to plan everything as some of the other replies state. However, it will not work unless all "races" work together on this. Whether the white farmers originally received the land by force in the first place, and I truly believe some did, their experience is needed to help the less knowledgable to own and run a farm effectively and efficiently. I do strongly believe however, that if any white farmers are not prepared to join in a rescue paln that is to be run fairly, then they should be excluded from owning anything. I trust the MDC will work toward this kind of association between peoples as it can only lead to a better and fairer Zimbabwe. God bless your organisation and give you strength to achieve what is needed in Zimbabwe, "a change of direction".
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Post by mguni on Jun 19, 2005 10:53:41 GMT -5
more fire guys. i am an Agri-Economist and i have denounced the land seizure since its begining in 1997. there are many factors that have to be considered before you allocate land to a farmer . Mugabe has got a wrong mentality ,he assumes that all the land is arable land where as land has got many uses in farming .land can be used for either Animal husbandry or crop husbandry. land first has to be tested by the soil scientist to find out the best type of enterprise that can be exercised, people should have adequate infrastructure and agric inputs before occupying the land . well in a nutshell we can say mugabe has not started distributing land to the blacks
mguni madlala
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