Munjanja
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Post by Munjanja on Feb 21, 2005 3:56:32 GMT -5
I am in South Africa how can it help me? After all, not everyone in this forum is a gumbler bro. I could apreciate it if you were helping Zimbabwe by donating some of that money to the MDC ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont know about US legallities but I can remember such a scam geminating from the University Of Zimbabwe about ten years ago. Many people did lost their money and I wasnt sorry ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by ts on Feb 27, 2005 13:53:42 GMT -5
The comments on this Forum are shocking to say the least, people please grow up! Witch hunt or no witch hunt, you cannot seriously tell me that you believe the current situation in the financial sevices industry should go on unchecked. Any well regulated environment imposses minimal solvency requirements to protect the consumers, go to the Basel Accord website for a quick eductaion lesson. Zim regulation has been weak for some years and it is about time there was a move to improve it, Mugabe induced or not. It's comments like these that at times make me wonder whether indeed we will be better off in an MDC world - although I acknowledge comments on this site are personal views from the public, I am making rparticular reference to comments from MDC members on this forum. Yesterday these same people would have been called Mugabe cronies who are feeding of the corrupt system, now they are poor lambs to the slaughter? Please! I for one do not have much sympathy for most of the bankers, and regardless of the motive this act goes does as a positive in my books. Please open your eyes, and stop being so petty
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Munjanja
Chinja Senior
VAZUNGU VEMACHIRA MACHENA
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Post by Munjanja on Mar 17, 2005 8:28:49 GMT -5
Guys if you would like to know what MDC stands for please go to our Financial Policy. In this forum we write what we wish as individuals not as a party. Even zanu pf members are welcom here, even non Zimbabweans. We are here to say the words from our own views. So Mugabe is messing up our national tresures with Gono let me say it until I am cought and silenced. Say your part and I will learn from you. Njere moto unogokwa kwevamwe Ndingira pasi injodzi parwendo
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Post by kenzolite on Apr 20, 2005 5:37:51 GMT -5
All you guys writing on this forum and in fact us Zimbas at large are not constructive at all. It does not pay kuswera kutukirira vamwe without any alternatives. What Gono is doing is excellent according to African standards but with the eceonomic knowledge you think you have in the diaspora write to RBZ through any media giving ideas that will built our country. I would certainly challenge any one of you including the MDC I have not seen anyone with an alternative policy to Gono's. US or Britain are not your solution , they will still milk your migre resources. Munofunga kuti kutidadira kuDiaspora chii, handiti kusada kuti vatema vabudirire ikoko nehudzvanyiriri. We are better with Gono than imposed monetary policies. For your information economic recipes imposed on african governments inc. Zim ARE ALWAYS meant to result in a dependence syndrome so these so called 1st world countries can effectively rule us. Instead let us rally behind our fellow man Gono who is bringing sanity to the financial sector. Black market, bribery etc are only there to distroy the economy and how stupid would be gono to watch that and ignore Ndapedza
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Post by kumusha capelzcom on Apr 20, 2005 6:17:31 GMT -5
One of the few constructive postings on this discussion board!! You hit the nail on the head here comrade. There has never been a third world country which has succeeded because of following UK/USA or IMF/Worldbank policies. Socio-Economic transformation comes from locally grown patriotic initiatives. When MDC and other white/western influenced organisations tell you otherwise......."they don't know what they are talking about" Mugabe and ZANU may be dealing with a huge mess in terms of the economy etc but lets not forget the numerous factors at play here. Before ESAP the economy was not doing badly in Zim and government expenditure on health and education as a percentage of GDP was amongst the best in Africa. Was this not under ZANU and Mugabe? It beggars belief to hear people say Mugabe has failed for 24 years. I am sure some of the same people would not have been educated if it were not for the progressive education policies of Mugabe/Mutumbuka and Fay Chung!!!! Think guys...and don;t just jump onto a band-wagon whichsays Mugabe has failed for 24 years. This is the mentality which makes us fail to look at our own contribution to the failings in our country. Try and be objective and you will see that some of the failings in Zim are down to Zanu, some are down to the people, some are down to the middle classes, some are downto world economic conditions and yet still some are down to the neo-colonial style of relationships that UK/USA have fashioned in relation to not just Zim but Africa (e.g. Kenya, Zambia, Uganda etc)
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Post by stillmdcbut... on Apr 22, 2005 7:35:03 GMT -5
One of the few constructive postings on this discussion board!! You hit the nail on the head here comrade. Please allow me to disagree for the following reasons: 1st. kenziolite says " what Gono is doing is excellent according to African standards" * What are African standards? and where do you get them from? For instance I thought that general health was subject to World Health Organisation standards, etc. Look at these statistics: Unemployment, inflation, businesses closing down and some relocating (to other countries), the brain drain, basic commodities shortages, etc, etc. In my view Gono's succes will be measured on these. What Gono needs to do is put up feasible, but more importantly APPROPRIATE fiscal / monetary policy measures to arrest the economic decline. He will NEVER stop the black market by playing cat and mouse with the public. IF I GAVE YOU £1 NOW WHERE WOULD YOU EXCHANGE IT FOR ZWD's?? AT THE BANK FOR ZWD13K OR BLACK MARKET FOR ZWD30K? 2nd. You also say that " I have not seen anyone with an alternative policy to Gono's" * There are millions of these in our country right now, Kenzo, but where would they practice their policies? Can Gono make the Gvt reduce its spending? Or at least redirect it, instead of buying endless arms, (fighter jets in particular), when Zim will never be at war, use the money on Agriculture, Health? I am not sure exactly which group of people you accuse of trying to impose economic policies on us. But I advise that if there is someone out there who proposes to ensure that you get fuel, milk, bread, housing, medicine, etc, etc, when you want it, at competitive prices, consider their case. Don't you wonder how and why you will never get HTA, and yet Gono travels anytime he wants to. You cannot afford to buy a house, and yet they import tiles, kitchen and bathroom sinks even. If this is the African standards, then some of us are not interested. I don't understand how you are?
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Post by kumusha capelzcom on Apr 22, 2005 9:01:56 GMT -5
Please read and understand my posting which I re-produce below:
"One of the few constructive postings on this discussion board!! You hit the nail on the head here comrade. There has never been a third world country which has succeeded because of following UK/USA or IMF/Worldbank policies. Socio-Economic transformation comes from locally grown patriotic initiatives. When MDC and other white/western influenced organisations tell you otherwise......."they don't know what they are talking about" Mugabe and ZANU may be dealing with a huge mess in terms of the economy etc but lets not forget the numerous factors at play here. Before ESAP the economy was not doing badly in Zim and government expenditure on health and education as a percentage of GDP was amongst the best in Africa. Was this not under ZANU and Mugabe? It beggars belief to hear people say Mugabe has failed for 24 years. I am sure some of the same people would not have been educated if it were not for the progressive education policies of Mugabe/Mutumbuka and Fay Chung!!!! Think guys...and don;t just jump onto a band-wagon whichsays Mugabe has failed for 24 years. This is the mentality which makes us fail to look at our own contribution to the failings in our country. Try and be objective and you will see that some of the failings in Zim are down to Zanu, some are down to the people, some are down to the middle classes, some are downto world economic conditions and yet still some are down to the neo-colonial style of relationships that UK/USA have fashioned in relation to not just Zim but Africa (e.g. Kenya, Zambia, Uganda etc) " I think as well as pointing out what is wrong in Zim we should understand that Zim is also subject to the same unfair/unjust terms of trade, false so called "aid burden" which is worse than the burden of reparations which were imposed on Germany after the first world war. Africa and most of the third-world seem to be bedevilled by "aid" and unfair terms of trade big time. These are issues that all third world countries seem to take a different view to that of MDC.Come-on guys....
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Post by Rita on Apr 22, 2005 10:18:59 GMT -5
Kumusha hausisina anything esle to counter the criticism. What you fail to understand is how simple laws of economics operate. Financial policies can be sound but with fiscical indecipline nothing will work. In Zimbabwe we hardly operate on a budget. Whatever Murerwa comes up with is usually ignored by Mugabe who is more concerned about staying in power. I followed the implimentation of the world bank and IMF policies in Zimbabwe and I find the problem to be with the Government's failure to plan in advance . Since 1990 when these policies were implemented the major turning points in our economic fortunes always came at points when wrong decisions were made by our leaders. There was first the hastly made decision to host the all africa games with unbudgeted costs of constructing the national stadium and many sports villages that were unnecessary. This was in the background of drought. For a party in power for at least 2 terms to be blaming drought every now and then shows incompetence. By now they should have come up with irrigation schemes in many places to ensure the economy does not suffer in the case of drought. Surverys and researches were conducted a while ago by the statistics department at UZ and provided details to the governement that according to statistics the country faces a major drought every five years and in regions of Matebeleland and Masvingo the time scale is even shorter. This ws of cause ignored. Other than that there was the unbudgeted decision to award war veterans gratuities, the war in DRC. Then of cause since 2000 yanga yangova disorder. The so called land reform, Mugabe among other people should have realised the implications of his decision to remove productive farmers from their farms and replacng them with mainly unskilled farmers most of whom did not have capital. In the end he blames the West for the woes and yet it is somple, What the MDC and many progressive Zimbabweans have been saying all along is we are governed by selfish despots who will do anthing as long as that will ensure they stay in power. Talk of factory invasions and threats to confisicate mines. Do you think the problems have anything to do with the monetary policy? Gono for his part has shown to be the only person working hard in his portfolio but when all the other aperators of government are busy looting and destroying the economy there is no prospect. Zimbabwe needs a new beggining and this is what will save it. Mugabe single handedly tarnished the image of the country and no sane investor will bring money to Zimbabwe. The sooner he goes and a more progressive goverenment comes the better, otherwise we will always be checking the exchange rate and prices every other day
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Post by stillmdcbut... on Apr 23, 2005 6:30:49 GMT -5
Please read and understand my posting which I re-produce below: I have Kumusha. Plse note my comments.I think most of this is totally irrelevant because I do not know of anyone is Zim who is advocating for Western policies. Give me evidence that the MDC or any opposition is. And let us simplify this Kumusha. Are you saying that, in our country, right now, the shortage of almost anything and everything you can think of is due to ESAP of the 90's? How long shall we be reminded how great our Gvt once was? What matters now is what is happening currently, and in the future. Come 2010 you will still blame ESAP for embarrassingly evident incompetence.This is not about band-wagons. This is about tangible results. This is about the clear evidence of very poor leadership skills we see in our country everyday. We all know ZANU's failings. Which ones of the peolple, besides failing to revolt against an apparent dictator, not for the MDC or anyone else, but for their own welfare.TEXT Zimbabwe is its worst enemy. It leaders make wrong decisions for very self-serving reasons.
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Post by JOB RUKANDA on Apr 27, 2005 4:05:06 GMT -5
Gonomics never worked from the time of his appointment he was more of a spin doctor than a man who should be running the monetary policy.
What he should have done is not making 'con tricks' by telling people everything is working.
When you pluck the goose you have to maximise the feathers but the hissing has to be lower.
But at the moment the hissing is becoming louder shortages are everywhere.
If the food situation does not improve we will kick Mugabe and his band wagon outwe are tired of being taken for a ride.
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Post by Nana on Apr 27, 2005 8:39:10 GMT -5
Chickens come home to roast. The cat is now out of the bag and there is nothing more to hide. With the chaos going on the MDC must maximise and should mobilise the electorate to call for a better deal. ZCTU and other partners must now call for a strike to protest the on going deteriorating living standards.They certainly need to be serious about economic recovery rather than pay lip service to our problems as they are doing. As in the past the MDC has failed to make headlines and show its displeasure with what is going on. The governement must be exposed of what it is.Why is it that there is no comment from the MDC regarding the current shortages We are complacent and want to wait for events to unfold rather than lead the people as is expected. We need to hear a statement from the President regarding this chaos and the wayforward for the thousands of people who are starving. MDC gives Zanupf too much breathing space and this gives it time to recover. Please lead the people not just watch events as a spectator or journalists. There are many critical issues outstanding right now. Why did the government wait until this late to look for food when it was obvious from as far back as last year that the country will need to import?. What is the governement doing to improve the sitiuation in the cities where many are going without water and electricity?. What plans does Mugabe have for reviving the eonomy? How does he explain the recent fall in value of the Zimbabwe which is now trading in the black market at close to 30 000 against the british pound and the increases in prices of basic commodities?. Why isn't Mugabe retiring now to a allow a young person with fresh ideas to take over?. Surprisingly before the formation of the MDC the people were able to confront this regime in the late 90's on issues of bread and butter but it is sad to note that at the moments its as if there is no opposition. Is the MDC relavant only during election period or when there is compagning?. Why are our leaders silent about what is happening in our country
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Post by stillmdcbut... on Apr 28, 2005 9:24:47 GMT -5
With the chaos going on the MDC must maximise and should mobilise the electorate to call for a better deal. ZCTU and other partners must now call for a strike to protest the on going deteriorating living standards. Why is it that there is no comment from the MDC regarding the current shortages We are complacent and want to wait for events to unfold rather than lead the people as is expected. We need to hear a statement from the President regarding this chaos and the wayforward for the thousands of people who are starving. Please lead the people not just watch events as a spectator or journalists. I totally agree with you Nana. We trust the MODERATOR is noting these sentiments and passing them on in good time.
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Post by MDC ZIMBABWE on Apr 28, 2005 10:07:56 GMT -5
Sure we are noting and we do follow closely posts on the board.
Much appreciated.
MDC Zimbabwe Online
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Post by Daniel on May 2, 2005 3:14:15 GMT -5
Hello,
Guys, the good doctor is the second most powerful man in Zimbabwe these days- what he says goes . WHY. I doubt if the evil Mugabe has advisors who can tell him otherwise and when Mugabe is asleep the guy can dictate as much policies as he wants.
Instead of coming up with tese unreasonable policies he should study how Saddam Hussein of Iraq took control of his country's black market. Remember before the war his sons withdrew US$1 billion despite his country being on sanctions at the time. Or he can take a leaf form Fidel Castro. Half his foreign currency comes form Cubans in exile in the States
The Good Doctor should wake up
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Post by Daniel on May 26, 2005 10:55:29 GMT -5
Dear friends,
Our governor is now seeing the light. After being in denial for so long, he has finally admitted that the present regime and the powers that be are nothing but corrupt, stupid and attention seekers. What is left for him to do is to tell uncle Bob that there wont be any development until he start talking to the MDC.
And if uncle Bob is sincere about an economic turn around he should give Gono political power eg make him his finance minister and by so doing when he talks the Mujuru camp will listen. Apart from Mugabe, there is only one major stumbling block in Zimbabwe's economy- that dunder- head called Joyce Mujuru who is protecting Chinese interest at the expense of her own people. Maybe I am biased, but have you seen that in all the tenders the Chinese have won especially in construction 90% of their staff are Chinese. Does it mean that there are no Zimbabweans qualified enough to be labourers?.
And yet you hear uncle Bob telling us that the west is sabotaging his economy
Squatter Ambassador
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