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Post by zvenyika on Apr 17, 2005 14:06:17 GMT -5
I have just been browsing the net comparing content on several websites for 'zimbabweans'. I came accross one for Rhodesians. I was under the impression that Rhodesia is no more??? Now on this Rhodesian site there is a calender of events for april. Which does not have the 18th of April noted as Zimbabwe's independence day. On the same calender a day is noted to protest Election results. Why would nationals of a non existent country be protesting election results of a very much alive country but not recognizing such an important day as the 18th of April - Independence day for Zimbabwe? The protest taking place at Zimbabwean Embassy. It makes me think just as well, Zanu is still in power. Coz as far as the Rhodesians are concerned they still should be ruling Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe is non existent and it makes me want to agree with Mugabe as much as it disgusts me, that MDC is trully a colonial party. MDC needs to straighten that up. There are still pple in Zim who coin themselves rhodesians and have their workers call them Bassa 'Boss' is this part of MDC's Change Agenda??
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Post by mdc chaiyo on Apr 17, 2005 17:46:21 GMT -5
You lie I checked the calender and it has Independence day listed on the calender.
Out
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Post by zvenyika on Apr 17, 2005 19:53:48 GMT -5
To tell you the truth this was not there when I posted my note. U have to realise this is an actively monitored site and notice that it is not remembering the liberation from colonial independence which it is for rightfully despite what the two parties differences are. the administrator definitely updated this site after my posting. I have no reason to lie. My postings are so that they are acted on. Now i am waiting to see a zimbabwe flag on the home page. I am a patriotic zimbabwean, who has lived in Zimbabwe as well as the west for too long to naively or blind sightedly say yes to everything about MDC when some the evidence of Rhodesian traits is vivid. If MDC listens to all the suggestions and starts acting like a true opposition party, then more people will have faith in them. Just the hand won't do it for me. I want to see MDC paying respect to fallen heroes. Acknowledge the beauty of our natural resources. MDC in the west sounds as if all is terrible in Zimbabwe. I like one English Judge who recently deported a young Zimbabwean on the grounds of the election results and the lack of violence and intimidation during the election, saying Zimbabwe is now safe. As it turns out the guy is now in Zim, was not harrassed at the airport as are the stories told by MDC asylumn seekers on deported asylum seekers being arrested upon arrival to Zimbabwe. The guy is doing well at home. MDC needs to start speaking the truth. Some of us hate the current gvt but we don't see an alternative in MDC. it some times trully appears as if MDC is Alias to Return of Rhodesia
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Post by Daniel on Apr 18, 2005 14:10:14 GMT -5
Maybe we should look at the obvious option- ASSASINATION. If it can be done before he amend the constitution the better
D. Ndebele
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Post by scaredum fireblazer on Apr 21, 2005 10:26:45 GMT -5
The elections were free and fair, by and large...With the rural of Matabeleland being free to express their bitterness of and 'retribution' for the 1983 killings through the ballot of 2000, 2002 and 2005 elections, and with the town young people able to express their votes of protests against economic hardships, I feel in all honesty, the elections were free and fair.In particular, the winning by Jonathan Moyo, the arch-friend-turned arch-enemy of Mugabe, of the Tsholotsho seat marks the process as free and fair.Mugabe personally descended on Tsholotsho, in representation of the highest offfice of Zanu PF, in an attempt to discredit the professor, but all was to no avail. Knowing well what the sharp wit and cunning nature of Jonathan would be able to help him achieve against the Mugabe govt, the 'rigging machiney' would have made sure that the prof would not enter parliament.Yet he is the one and only independent candidate who got a ticket into parliament!
There was no intimidation at all against rural people unless you say that the rural of Matabeleland are more sophisticated than Mashonaland and Masvingo and the majority of Midlands.
There was no vote rigging unless you say the rural dead people in the voter register of Matabeleland were not able to vote from graves and it was only the Mashonaland, Midlands and Masvingo dead voters who were able to vote from the grave for Mugabe. Let's be honest with ourselves!
Get a life anti-Zimbabweans!
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Post by kumusha capelzcom on Apr 22, 2005 9:11:15 GMT -5
Many people are fed up with Zanu and Mugabe but not many of them are convinced with MDC.Let's be honest about this.....how many people are actually enthused by the MDC leadership? How many people have come across as trusting MDC? Who funds MDC? How many Rhodesians have the same aspirations as most Zimbabweans? Answer these questions honestly for yourself and there it is - The truth is both ZANU and MDC are bad news for Zimbabwe!!!
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Post by Daniel1610 on Apr 23, 2005 8:40:32 GMT -5
Dear Kumusha,
Anyone born before1980 at the time was classfied as a Rhodesian no matter how we would like to deny it. All the whites who didn't want to call africa home left before 18 April 1980 and those who remained were Rhodesians and now we call them Zimbabweans. To continue calling white Zimbabweans- Rhodesians is nothing but RACISM. If the Zimbabwe you know is a democracy why dont you want these white Zimbos to practise their right to choose their friends and leaders.
Why don't you complain that the ZANU election campaign was funded by South Africa. Were they black or white.
We have to accept that Zimbabwe like most of the world is a multi racial society.
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Post by kumusha capelzcom on Apr 25, 2005 3:14:11 GMT -5
You miss the point. I only use the term Rhodesian to refer to those who call themselves Rhodesian. I think its only right that you refer to people as they refer to themselves. Do a search on the internet on Rhodesia and you will see that there is an active community of Rhodesians. Check out their values and aspirations and you will see what Imean. These are people who bear a grudge against Zimbabwe and Zimbabweans!!
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Post by stillmdcbut... on Apr 25, 2005 6:20:29 GMT -5
Personally I do not see the point of arguing about what is posted on the so-called Rhdodesian websites. Or who is Rhodesian and who is not. There is no place in the world called Rhodesia.
The pressing issue here, is the rot in our country, and more importantly how to stop it. Someone suggested an armed revolt. Based on the mess we see in Angola, the DRC, just next door, it is better to preserve all of our infrastructure. I maintain that it is possible to remove the dictactor by peaceful, but PROPERLY ORGANISED AND PERSISTENT mass actions.
As for Thabo Mbeki and HIS South Africa, I applaud the MDC for telling him to bugger off. I expect the MDC to raise the issue of the RSA funding (once proved), to disqualify Mbeki as a neutral broker.
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Post by donato on Jun 1, 2005 4:30:35 GMT -5
2I must say that I am disappointed by the level of contribution on the website re: Evidence of rigging.
donato
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Post by donato on Jun 3, 2005 12:52:06 GMT -5
the mdc is always in a state of deniel. this is the third election and we are in a stata of shock once again. The result is reflected in the level of contribution on evidence of rigging. We have all agreed that there was rigging by way of sets of figures not matching and we list the constituencies were this happened. We also point to an uneven playing field. But what are we really saying. If I sign a loan for $100, and thereafter the other party shouts that I borrowed $200, its foolish of me to say that he is cheating me. In court the judge will look at what we signed. What figures did we SIGN??? If these tally, then that will be that. My poin, guys, is that a party can lose elections, even the mdc. We did not have any message that I know for the rural voters to off-set the pro-land lobby. Talk to these people in rural areas.
I and other students share one computer. I had converted them all to mdc since 2002, and one even went to Zim for the elections and voted for us(all of us who registered were reflected in the rolls). When he came back, he tod us that people voted the way they wanted, that rural people voted more conservatively and tended to credit zanu pf with the war and the land. There is sympathy for the mdc, but its policies are held to be not very clear. There is no positive and tangible conception of what we stand forin rural areas outside Matebeleland.
My friends aree now discouraged and when I suggest the mdc website they look at each other as if to say, Here hengoes again, wwwhere we lost it was rigged, and where we won, it was good. They are now outspoken in favour of zanupf (as distinct from Mugabe).
My proposal is that insyead of responding to the loss with cries of rigged!!, we should ask if we really have convinnced rrural Zim, because they will help beat us again. Lets come out clearly AND CONSISTENTLY on the land issue. Whats done is done. Then we call for these people to be assisted and be seen there assisting them in eevery way. Ask the internatuional community to help people on the land, in industry etc. This is more positive and more sustainable than our usual reactiveness.
Mugabe is going for sure. When that happens, are we going to fumble around for the next move, or are we going to be found WITH THE PEOPLE. When mugabe goes, and all we can do at that time is pretend sanctions are not hurting Zimbabweans and the land issue is on the back burner, then we will continue to lose credibilty. Look your relations (yes, even here in the diaspora), Look them in the eyes and tell them that the elections were riggeg, and that sanctions only hurt Mugabe because Grace cant come shopping. Do this with your friends. Mention the best mdc pronouncemeents on the land issue. If you see what I have seen here in the diaspora, then you know that credibility is waning. It doeesnt matter how much we accuse,complain demonise etc. We should have positive things to say abpout our party, and make our party a political home for all Zimbos.
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Post by slan on Jun 24, 2005 3:25:17 GMT -5
Can I ask that the administrator delete all these gibberish message? I don't know if it's intentional, but if it is, someone is obviously having some childish fun.
Please let's put an end to it.
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Post by ddd on Jul 18, 2005 10:45:26 GMT -5
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Post by jahlive on Jul 22, 2005 14:00:48 GMT -5
evidence of rigging -waz in zim during and after march polls and a lot waz done by zanu pf marondera pple we were confronted at our polling station l waz an agent and these pple were moving with their own ballot boxes without fearing they would put ballot papers or first u would b chased away . l guese the only solution is armed struggle , these pple are taking us lightly we are not their pple or BABA CHATUNGA'S PETS . Pple let us stand 4 our rights
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